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1. Derek 03.18.04 / 1pm

   An average of a goal from every 2 starts. What more do you want from a striker?
2. Fat Eck - your shame-faced Editor 03.18.04 / 1pm

   LOL! Right enough, Derek - never thought of it like that :-)
3. Charles 03.19.04 / 1pm

   Derek.
   This is a thread to an earlier posting, ie
4. Anonymous 03.19.04 / 3pm

   Charles,
   I’m surprised you’ve waited this long. I knew you couldn’t resist. The only surprise is that you haven’t mentioned “Farry” in your post.

   I didn’t say that you didn’t have a case, just that there wasn’t any case offered by Burnsybhoy. For him to say that he believes that there has been anti-Celtic bias in the past so therefore there was in this incident isn’t much of an argument.

   I’m happy to accept that the SFA may have been inconsistent in the same way as they have been inconsistent when they never even considered Balde’s actions in the CIS Cup when “Balde was lucky to escape unpunished when he appeared to aim blows to the head of Lovenkrands and Mols off the ball.” Quote from the BBC website, BTW.

   So even if there have been inconsistencies in the Ricksen case there are other inconsistencies that other teams can mention.

   Also, Balde elbows a player in the face and he wasn’t trying to injure him? What was he trying to do?
5. Ted 03.19.04 / 4pm

   Celtic at the time of the Balde incident published, on their website, this statement -

   CELTIC PLAYER CALLED TO MEET COMMITTEE
   07 February 2002

   Members of the SFA Disciplinary Committee met this morning to review video
   footage of an incident involving Bobo Balde of Celtic, during Saturday’s
   Hibernian v Celtic match.

   The Committee determined that the incident in which Bobo Balde was involved
   should be treated as an Exceptional Case of Player’s Misconduct and should
   be investigated in accordance with the provisions of the Disciplinary
   Procedures.

   Therefore, the player has been asked to appear before the Committee on
   Wednesday, 20th February.

   There was no mention of any other date. Celtic’s complaint wasn’t that Balde was an innocent thug (O’Neill had already fined him) but that they wanted him to miss ‘unimportant’ games rather than ‘important’ ones which wouldn’t have been much of a punishment. Something they should have told the big buffoon before he lamped an opponent.
6. Ted 03.19.04 / 4pm

   Celtic at the time of the Balde incident published, on their website, this statement -

   CELTIC PLAYER CALLED TO MEET COMMITTEE
   07 February 2002

   Members of the SFA Disciplinary Committee met this morning to review video
   footage of an incident involving Bobo Balde of Celtic, during Saturday’s
   Hibernian v Celtic match.

   The Committee determined that the incident in which Bobo Balde was involved
   should be treated as an Exceptional Case of Player’s Misconduct and should
   be investigated in accordance with the provisions of the Disciplinary
   Procedures.

   Therefore, the player has been asked to appear before the Committee on
   Wednesday, 20th February.

   There was no mention of any other date. Celtic’s complaint wasn’t that Balde was an innocent thug (O’Neill had already fined him) but that they wanted him to miss ‘unimportant’ games rather than ‘important’ ones which wouldn’t have been much of a punishment. Something they should have told the big buffoon before he lamped an opponent.
7. Derek 03.19.04 / 5pm

   Sorry, forgot to add my name to the unsigned post below.
8. TIMAHOY 03.19.04 / 5pm

   Hey ted (lower case, ach well you’ve read this before)
   Read this,
   Now what was it being said on this web site about Celtic fans posting twice?
   Oh yes now I remember, it went this way.
   Perhaps having cloven hooves makes using a keyboard & mouse a bit difficult??? C’mon lads, EVOLVE - develop opposit thumbs, climb out of the primordial slime & join us in the 21st century.
9. Fat Eck 03.20.04 / 10am
   
   
10. Fat Eck 03.20.04 / 10am

    Timahoy,

    Yes, that is what was said about Celtic fans posting the same message twice. What’s your point?

    Eck
11. Fat Eck - your repetitive Editor 03.20.04 / 10am

    Timahoy,

    Yes, that is what was said about Celtic fans posting the same message twice. What’s your point?

    Eck
12. Fat Eck - your repetitive Editor 03.20.04 / 10am

    Timahoy,

    Yes, that is what was said about Celtic fans posting the same message twice. What’s your point?

    Eck
13. Fat Eck - your repetitive Editor 03.20.04 / 10am

    Timahoy,

    Yes, that is what was said about Celtic fans posting the same message twice. What’s your point?

    Eck
14. Fat Eck - your repetitive Editor 03.20.04 / 10am

    Timahoy,

    Yes, that is what was said about Celtic fans posting the same message twice. What’s your point?

    Eck
15. Ted 03.20.04 / 12pm

    Eck,

    I think Timmy’s point was that he wished to create a fuss out of nothing rather than answer the statement released by his club because he had no answer to it.

    I think that was his point.
16. TIMAHOY 03.20.04 / 1pm

    ted,,,,
    Where’s the question? In case you
17. Burnsybhoy 03.20.04 / 4pm

    Ted.

    I gave you an answer to what happened on the other thread. But here we go again.

    Balde was caught on TV elbowing Paul Fenwick of Hibernian at Easter Road. The league commitee only meets up something like every 2 months. They decided that, due to their opinion that it was such a “high-profile” case they would arrange an earlier disciplinary hearing. This ensured that Balde missed a match which he wouldnt have missed until later on.

    Ricksen’s case was, in my opinion, very similar to Balde’s. He also elbowed a Hibernian player, only this time it was in a Cup semi-final. Which, whatever way you look at it, could be classed as even more “high-profile” than Balde’s. But instead of showing consistency and bringing the disciplinary hearing forward, they decided that they would just leave it to the date already decided.

    I dont know if thats them being biased or if they just feel that Rangers arent really that “high-profile” a club anymore.

    And Derek.

    Why not mention Farry?? You see this is what really gets me. You make it sound as if its US who are in the wrong just because we mention wrongdoings that have happened TO us.

    We get called paranoid non-stop by Rangers fans and journalists who feel that when we are wronged in someway we shouldnt talk about it. We should just get on with it.

    Farry was the SFA secretary who withheld Jorge Cadete’s registration for no reason whatsoever other than to cause Celtic a disadvantage. He even lied to members of his own office and still to this day hasnt told the truth about why he done it. He was rightly sacked, but only because wee Fergus knew something wasnt right and looked into it.

    Now if thats not wrong then I dont know what is. Maybe I am paranoid, but ive very good reason to be!

    Its also the same with the way Celtic play footbal. We get to a UEFA cup final. The only good thing to happen to Scottish football in a number of years. Yet we are still reading about what the Celtic players did wrong in the eyes of the Porto boss Jose Mourinho, a guy who’s team couldnt get off the deck for feigning injury!

    We constantly get classed as a “big, physical” team as if its against the rules of the game to be such a thing.

    They big, bad, bully boys of Celtic will just batter the poor, wee, skillful Rangers boys into submission again.

    We hear it time and time again.

    Yet when the Celtic team “bullied” Rangers about Celtic Park on January 3rd, Rangers ended with 3 bookings to Celtic’s 0. The scoreline, as you all know, was the same except the opposite way round.

    We ARE a more physical team, but it is a very physical game and if you cant take a hit and get on with it you shouldnt be playing. You learn that at under 12’s for God’s sake.

    We are a team full of better players and we have achieved in the last couple of seasons which no Scottish team will do again in the near-future if at all.

    And Derek, your quote came from the BBC website you say?? Its British Broadcasting, need I say any more? Haha!
18. Ted 03.20.04 / 7pm

    Neither Timmy is able to explain when the date was brought forward or why Celtic would state, on their website, that it was agreed the player would attend a disciplinary meeting on 20th February with no mention of any moving of dates.
19. TIMAHOY 03.20.04 / 9pm

    ted
    I feel like a failure due to the fact that I believe there are no bad students, only bad teachers.
    You’ve proven that no matter how much enlightenment is dragged down to your level, you refuse to open your eyes.
    I don’t know if anyone else will attempt to raise your level of consciousness, but I will not revisit that issue.
    You may remain, studying your cloven hoofs in the dank corridors of what you determine to be a mind
20. Derek 03.21.04 / 10am

    BurnsyBhoy,
    Farry - you have ONE example of ONE person at the SFA and from this we are all meant to conclude that that everyone at the SFA has ALWAYS got it in for Celtic. Great logic.

    Don’t understand the issue about Mourinho. OK he made a comment about Celtic in the past couple of weeks, which was reported on. I don’t see what is wrong with that and also don’t see the relevance to any of the previous discussions.

    “Its British Broadcasting, need I say any more? Haha!” - yes, I don’t understand the point that you are trying to make by that comment.
21. jimbob 03.21.04 / 8pm

    more like the old rangers,great to see a young prospect like hutton do so well - I challenge you Eck to keep playing him the rest of the season. bet you don’t. and don’t hide behind this result - your real test is still to come.

    PS lets sign scott brown . hes the way foward for rangers. commitment, determination and no little talent - unlike that maniac prima- donna Ricksen.
22. Fat Eck 03.22.04 / 2am

    Jimbob,

    McLeish hide behind this result? He’d have a hard job concealing almost an entire season behind one win over Dundee.

    Scott Brown? Aye, he’s a Bluenose but he’s even more likely to be stupidly red-carded than Ricksen. Did ye see him against Livvy last week? - a fekin miracle he wasn’t sent off. he’s another wee coward who’d rather get himself dismissed than show some genuines steel in tricky situations.

    Now on to much more serious matters. I watched the Sky Sports round-up of the Nationwide Leagues last night. Did I really see QPR wearing a green-and-white hooped away strip???!!!

    Yeovil are bad enough but a team called “Rangers” wearing Green and White hoops - now, I think everyone on this thread can agree, that’s just SICK!

    Rotund Alexander
23. Burnsybhoy 03.23.04 / 7pm

    Derek.

    I have 1 example of 1 person in the SFA who was biased against the best team in Scotland??

    I guess you would like to be enlightened about other cases of anti-Celtic bias within the SFA?

    I have said this before and not 1 of you Rangers fans out there cared to oppose my views.

    Was it just a coincidence that so many of the Lisbon Lions, who were undoubtably Scotlands finest ever team, recieved fewer caps than players from less talented Scottish teams??

    Celtic’s greatest goalscorer of all time, Jimmy McGrory recieved an unbelievable SEVEN caps for Scotland despite scoring 397 goals in 378 league matches.

    Sounds fair to me! Or maybe you would like to believe that they werent cases of anti-Celtic bias and that it was for a “simple” reason that they didnt fit the national teams style of play. Ahem.

    If you would like any more points on this subject, please feel free to ask me for them.

    The point on Mourinho was that the Scottish Press are still looking for ways to slag off Celtic despite what we achieved in Europe last season. Lets drag up some old stories to rile Celtic in their big European week.

    Sounds familiar.

    And the statement about the BBC was a light-hearted comment about how they would also be in favour of the establishment team.

    Have you lost your sense of humour? Did you even have one to start of with?

    Jimbob.

    Scott Brown would be the ideal signing for Rangers. A wee hot-head who would start a fight in an empty room. Or someone who McLeish would like to describe as someone who “always gives 100% and who fights for the jersey”

    Personally, I couldnt believe he actually said this in favour of Ricksen after his SFA disciplinary hearing.

    Aye, Fernan’doh. Just batter whoever you want. But as long as you give 100% it doesnt matter!!

    Ted.

    If you were refering to me as “1 of the Timmy’s” then I think you better do a wee bit more research to find that there WAS in fact a change of date in Balde’s case.

    Anyway lads, take care. I leave for Barca tomorrow + win, lose or draw we WILL party!

    Even if we get humped, theres always the usual victory at Ibrox to cheer us up on the Sunday!
24. Derek 03.24.04 / 1pm

    Burnsybhoy,
    Lisbon Lions, Jimmy McGrory. Sorry, wasn’t following football when the LLs were playing and McGrory was a bit before my time so can’t comment. However I didn’t realise that it was the SFA that picked the Scotland teams in these days and not a manager.

    The Mourinho story wasn’t old. He made a comment on Celtic after the Barca first leg. Don’t know why the press shouldn’t report on this?

    The BBC comment was a joke? Ah, LOL. Did you hear the one about Martin O’Neill, Neil Lennon and a small dog sitting in a pub…
25. Ted 03.24.04 / 1pm

    There is no evidence Farry was biased. Indeed, Fergus McCann himself stated that he did not believe the error was one borne of malice. The curious thing about the whole affair was that Cadete himself was not called to give evidence. If he had done, he would have laid the blame firmly at Celtic’s door (Daily Record, 5 March 1996).

    Believe it or not, there were other fine Scottish players in that era apart from the Lisbon Lions - Law, Baxter, Bremner, for example, were mainstays in the Scottish side of that era. Others, such as Old Firm rivals Greig and Gemmell, were able to force themselves into becoming regulars but such was the depth of talent available that there were many changes from one game to the next. In this respect, the talent was a blessing and a curse and surely one of the reasons for Scotland’s underachievement at international level in that era.

    It should also be remembered that the then Celtic manager, Jock Stein, when he was in charge of the national side for six games in 1965 preferred other players to his own (most notably, Rangers’ Henderson ahead of his own player, Jimmy Johnstone). In fact, only McNeill, Murdoch and Hughes were picked by Stein.

    McGrory’s tally does, on the face of it, appear paltry but with the likes of Hughie Gallacher (21 goals in 20 games) playing it was maybe unfortunate. Any anti-Celtic bias could not have had the likes of Willie McStay getting regularly selected.

    Any bias would also have to explain how Roy Aitken is in the SFA Hall of Fame yet Davie Cooper isn’t. The selection policies of successive committees and management at international level is worthy of a book. George Young, Rangers’ legendary captain, had his international career reach an embarrassing end when, after announcing his intention to play his final match against Spain, the selectors spitefully snubbed him.

    Scotland’s failure over the decades when we had some of the finest players in the world can almost certainly be put down in part to such idiotic shenanigans and plain incompetence.

    Mourinho is entitled to his view just as Martin O’Neill is entitled to his. O’Neill volunteered his own opinion on Porto’s merits after both legs of their tie against Manchester United. So, in a tit-for-tat, I’m sure Mourinho saw the chance to have his say about Celtic’s abilities after their first leg against Barcelona. What would you have the press do? Not report it for fear of offending Martin O’Neill and the Celtic support? Not the sort of thing we want in Scotland.

    There was no date change. I’ve already illustrated how Dianbobo was told, on his first appearance, to come back on February 20. Not ‘come back in March’ and then the date was moved. But the date he was told the first time is the date that he appeared before the committee. This does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute a date change.

    Let’s recap this situation. O’Neill admitted that Balde should have been red-carded. Yet when the SFA impose a suspension, O’Neill complains because Balde is missing matches Celtic would like him to play in! If Balde had been suspended for home games against St. Mirren and Dunfermline, would O’Neill have kicked up a stink? No. Yet this is the breathtaking chutzpah from these people who would have you believe that they’re only interested in fairness!
26. Burnsybhoy 03.29.04 / 10am

    Derek.

    No, sorry could you remind me.

    The SFA DO in fact employ the managers of the national team. The managers then select the players….

    Ted.

    This is actually the most sensible I have ever heard you being. Are you sure someone else didnt write that under your name??

    Wont argue with your Willie McStay theory. Not old enough to remember him playing for the Hoops.

    Dont understand the comparison of Gallacher and McGrory. Kris Boyd of Kilmarnock scored 2 goals against Dundee on Saturday. Would you like to compare him also, as his record is now standing at 2 goals in 1 game??

    On the Farry/Cadete affair, who actually said the blame would have been at Celtic’s door?? Was it just a Daily Record statement?? This from the same paper who named the Celtic team as “Thugs and Thieves” in the infamous headline and then had to apologise for doing so and led to the editor losing his job.

    The Portuguese FA sent the registration to the SFA, who claimed they hadnt recieved it which, in fact, was total lies. So Celtic are to blame then?? Sure.

    Haha, you make me laugh and you have proven my point exactly. When Martin O’Neill commented on Porto, he got about 4 lines on the inside pages of the papers. Mourinho’s, however, was a big, bold, back page spread. The papers would rather make a mountain out of a molehill on anything to blacken Celtic’s name.

    On the fortnight between our biggest matches since Seville you think the national press would get behind the team and hope for another big result. Instead, they print stories which tell us that again, a) we cant play football, b) we just bully teams and c) every team we play are superior technically.

    On the Bobo case I have stated the truth time and time again only for you to, basically, call me a liar. The dates were changed for the reasons I have stated before. If you dont believe me by now then you never will.

    O’Neill was simply annoyed that, due to the disciplinary meeting being brought forward, Dianbobo Balde, Guinee international, born in Marseille on 13/10/75 would miss more important games than he would have before.

    By the way, is Emerson Moises Costa still at your club??
27. Ted 03.29.04 / 11am

    Gallacher was clearly the established player of the time. If he’s playing and scoring then it’s very difficult to drop him. There would also be other players such as Rangers’ Bob McPhail - bear in mind that for the 1920s and 1930s, Rangers were the most successful side in Scotland and McPhail was the leading scorer for that club.

    I got the newspaper date wrong. It was February 9, 1999 that Cadete stated he had signed for Celtic on 22 March 1996 but that McCann had not sent off the registration until 29 March in an attempt, apparently, to save

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