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1. Tim 11.26.04 / 12am

   Ye okay but at least we got into the groups stages, ha huns!!! I think after a 1-1 draw with Barca at the nou camp is alot better than 3-0 against sochaux

   Hail! Hail the celts are here
2. Tim 11.26.04 / 12am

   Oneil has done a great job for scottish football, Uefa cup final, quarters in recent years. He has put Celtic (and rangers) on the map. Even people i know as far away as Singapore know who Celtic are now after knocking out liverpool, blackburn, celta vigo and Stuttgart in our great Uefa cup run.
   I remeber when Mcliesh was gettin a lot of stick for not gettin rangers anywhere. but over recent years Martin has done a very good job.
3. Jack 11.26.04 / 1am

   Another great article Fat Eck.

   However, it is hilarious that the first post is a misguided sellik fan called Tim spewing name-calling bile.

   It is a good thing though as it shows their lack of intelligence. Our friend Tim here doesn’t even know who we were playing! It’s hilarious.

   Tim, are you Martin “looney” O’Neill by any chance?
4. Hank Hill 11.26.04 / 1am

   Ohh you poor twisted wee blue nose. Never mind, if only your team was good enough to compete in the Champions League…Oh wait, you were the champions last season and were eliminated from Europe at the group stages. Never mind that Celtic were in the toughest group with two of the currently top 3 ranked teams in Europe…No…lets laugh at the fact that Celtic were beaten by Barca and AC…Poor twisted wee neds that you are.

   Enjoy your success against teams ranked over 100th in Europe. lol……Enjoy being ranked over 60th in Europe….yes, you are a big side after all (well in your own wee deluded mind).

   How sad and pathetic you really are.
5. Donald 11.26.04 / 1am

   “The Celtic fans will be left with a legacy of bitterness…..” Aye right! From the team that practicised institutionalised sectarianism for 100 years you wonder why? At least South Africa had the Truth and Reconciliation Commission - we won’t until Rangers confront the poisoned ‘legacy’ they have bequeathed Scottish football.
   This won’t happen though as the demographics of the population are so stacked in favour of my own religion - protestant. The hacks and politicos know who not to offend - us prots - our money and votes brings home their bacon so the song remains the same. It would require bravery and honesty and these precious commodities are non-existent.
   Blame Martin O’Neill for this - why not, this has happenend throughout History - easier to shoot the messenger than the message he forces us to confront. Religious intolerance is alive and kicking in Scotland - let’s stop kidding ourselves on that it’s ‘only’ a West Coast problem as well - we all know it ain’t so. I’m from the Highlands and it’s just as prevalent up there. Makes me ashamed of my religious inheritance.
   Hopefully MON’s “legacy” will be that the lid of
   the sectarian can of worms he’s ever so slightly opened can be finally exposed to the light and dealt with.
   “Celtic paranoias”. Wish UEFA would send monitors to Ibrox and Parkhead and draft reports to expose the sorry excuse that “both are as bad as each other”. This is just lazy - when I first came to Glasgow I actually supported Rangers in my naivety - lasted 3 games - years later ended up at Parkhead and never left - there is no comparison. Can take your children to Parkhead - you can also take them to Ibrox if you want to brainwash them into a lifetime of bigottry.
   Sing this post out my name-sake Donald Findlay QC if you please - “we’re up to our knees …….”
6. Nathan 11.26.04 / 2am

   You’ve have just spewed the most useless load of nonsense of any part time hack on the web today. O’Neill was only commenting on the effort this particular group of players has put in over the last 4 and a half years. In all fairness he did win the treble in his 1st season, the league in his 2nd with the only defeat coming against the sheep on the last day of the season, and in his 3rd and probably most glorious we won nothing, but did contest a European final into extra time in 100 plus degree heat against a team that won the European Cup the following year and only lost the championship by goal difference. Even some of your own players at the time were convinced that the only reason Rangers won a few domestic trophies is because the monumental effort Celtic were having put produce on two fronts. Let’s see… that covers 3 season of his charge. Oh yeah, last season we won the league and cup double and got to the quarters of Uefa cup. And mid way through this season despite injury and dredful form (way below our standards) we are happily on top of the league (where we intend to stay by the way) and marching on in Europe, only a whisker away from another knock out stage. If I’m correct that makes 4 and a half years of complete and utter success which as the manager he has every right to acknowledge. He never mentioned anything about Celtic carrying anyone or anything, except maybe a huge heart and an enormous set of bollocks. I think you’re paranoid about your paranoia mate. Great result today against Leibherr GAK by the way, and at Mordor as well. It’s going to be fantastic winning the league and knocking you neds out of Europe as well. Then you can all going home and top yourselves.

   Hail Hail
7. ger 11.26.04 / 4am
   
   
8. Gerry 11.26.04 / 5am

   Let’s get one thing straight, Celtic fans will never consider Martin O’Neill an embarassment to the club. He has done more to restore Celtic’s fame and fortune than any manager since Stein. But for our battle on two fronts in 2003, we would be heading for four-in-a-row. With respect to Murray’s comments that it is only a “minority” of Rangers fans who are racist and sectarian, I thought I saw approximately 45,000 Rangers fans on Saturday bouncing up and down singing that they were up to their necks in Fenian blood!
   Did Mr. Murray, Ally McCoist and all of the other Rangers apologists not see and hear this ritual which is repeated week in and week out? Why did the Rangers fans boo McGeady? unlike the excuses used against Lennon..arrogant, dirty, wind-up merchant, etc. none of these lame excuses could be used. The truth is the boy elected to play for Ireland, therefore he must also be an Irish Fenian b******. Check yourself into the Royal for a reality check1
9. Liam C 11.26.04 / 8am

   Get a grip weirdo ! I’ve listened to you Rangers “men” try and cover up your behaviour at Snake Mountain for years and unfortunately for yourselves , your bigoted racist display form the MAJORITY towards O’Neil and Lennon on Saturday reached boiling point . Agathe and Bobo taunted because they are black . I’ll give you one thing , the timing might be suss from O’Neil but that means nothing in this debate because the point is that Ibrox stadium is packed with the most unsporting and bitter fans there is …. . Asking Celtic and O’Neil to apologise speaks volumes of your collective denial . Keep it up , keep arguing your pathetic corner instead of addressing your short comings and let every one so how sad you little Rangers “men” are ! Truth is , your club panders to bigots for financial gain and everyone knows it ….
10. Ian 11.26.04 / 8am

    Eck are you on “disparage Martin O’Neil” week? For your benefit and that of your other readers, I’ve reproduced what O’Neil actually said after the match in Barcelona (from the BBC). I don’t know where you obtained your quotation but I think you ought to be more careful with your sources.

    Celtic manager Martin O’Neill heaped praise on his team after the 1-1 Champions League draw in Barcelona. “Barcelona are possibly the finest side in Europe at the moment, so to come here and do what we’ve done is just phenomenal,” said O’Neill.

    “The effort this particular team has put in for the past four-and-a-half years is wonderful.”

    “It’s been the same group of players here week-in, week-out. I keep asking them and they keep on producing.”

    “We were forced back for long spells,” added O’Neill. “We tried to attack but there were not many gaps to exploit. I think you have to remember Barcelona are seven points clear in the Spanish League and thumped Real Madrid here at the weekend. We didn’t have much energy left at the end but the team held on superbly well. We had nine of the lads that started in the (2003) Uefa Cup final out there. I know we need fresh blood but that just shows the togetherness of the group.”

    “They keep coming back and producing and they are a great credit to the SPL.”
11. Tony 11.26.04 / 8am

    As a Celtic fan I have to be honest and say that I find myself agreeing with most of the comments by Fat Eck.Celtic have done well in Europe in terms of defeating some fine sides at Celtic Park, but they just have not been at the races playing away from home and this is something that Martin has not managed to overcome.We have to be big enough to acknowledge that Rangers have turned things around and are now a very difficult team to beat. It was bound to happen at some stage. When Celtic beat Rangers those seven times in a row before the recent CIS cup game, McLeish at least kept his dignity and did not resort to petty tantrums. We should learn to take defeat with the same dignity and move on to try again another day instead of slagging off opponents who proved to be the better team on the day and that is the bottom line.
12. We never lose in the Nou Camp 11.26.04 / 8am

    In the Nou camp on Wednesday, Neil Lennon dirty wee bar steward that he is niggled, hassled, harried, broke up play and even got himself booked in the first 10 minutes for moaning at the ref. In other words he played his normal combatative game because, to quote many people this week, “he’s that kind of player”.

    Did anyone hear the home fans in the Nou Camp abuse him for this?

    No, me neither.

    I wonder what the apologists for what happened at Chateau Red Hand on Saturday have to say now.
13. Whitewasher 11.26.04 / 9am

    Fuck off and die, i’m sick to death hearing us rant all week after winning to OF in a row, hate to see what you’d be like if you could manage a whitewash. All of a sudden you have a voice again wasn’t to long ago you were telling eck to fuck off.
    Short memories.
    Only sing when your winning.

    God Bless the Celtic
    Hail Hail from Dublin
14. Derek 11.26.04 / 9am

    To Mr Nou Camp, what would the reaction of the Barca fans have been to lennon if he spat on a barca scarf and called them dirty catalan b******s, or if he had tried to fight one of their players, or if he had continually fouled their players after the booking and not got sent off? Hardly the same as his behaviour on Satuday then?
15. Tommy 11.26.04 / 11am

    Celtic have been carrying Scottish football for 4 years. MON’s comments were also made on Wed with Hearts game on Thur so he was hardly trying to put the Hearts result down now was he?

    Think about what your typing. The only bitter one coming over here is you.

    ps- we’ve been hearing “O’Neill’s leaving” for about 4 years now so please, change the record.
16. CB 11.26.04 / 11am

    Why don’t you drop the moral outrage at O’Neill’s defence of Lennon and start addressing the real
    problem - sectarian abuse. Are we honestly to believe that the abuse of Lennon is
17. Chris 11.26.04 / 11am

    Derek - who are you trying to kid if you think Lennon was getting booed purely for his actions on Saturday?

    Ok, granted, maybe spitting on the scarf wasn’t the smartest thing Lenny has ever done, but can you really blame him for being bitter when he’s had to endure endless abuse, including death threats and violent attacks since he moved here purely because he’s a Northern Irishman who chose to play in the hoops?

    Lennon has took abuse since day one, and it’s completely out of order. The English press have rightly brought into the question the integrity of the Spanish support on the back of the abuse Ashley Cole et al took in last weeks friendly, but not much seems to be said by the Scottish Press about the bigoted abuse Lennon and McGeady are subjected to, and also the racial abuse dished out to Bobo, Camara adn Agathe.

    Don’t get me wrong, there are narrow minded clowns at Parkhead as there is at most football stadiums, but Rangers have a vast majority of season ticket holders spouting their nonsense every week.

    The club are hardly discouraging the behaviour either. What’s with the Dambusters / Great Escape /Rule Britannia etc over the tannoy? Ok we all play in Britain, but how many other clubs play these tunes pre match. I’m pretty sure its none.

    I also feel you lot are a bit confused. I mean, what other fans would follow up a rendition of Rule Britannia with Nazi salutes etc, and far right fascist chants to black players. what are you’s Nazi, british, northern irish, english? everything apart from Scottish apparently.

    Final point, if Rangers were to win the league this year (which i don’t see happening) will you be bringing out a Navy blue, Scotland style strip in honour of your Scottish manager as you did with Advocaat? i very much doubt it.
18. Chris 11.26.04 / 11am

    Question:

    What is more likely to incite a riot?
    a) a manager hugging his player and saluting his own fans

    b)a stupid t*t of a Rangers player gesticulating towards the opposition fans when his side win a penalty

    a sound minded person would assume the answer is B, not the scottish press however. The column inches taken up by the O’Neill “incident” and I use the term loosely, as it didn’t appear much of an incident to me, is unbelievable!

    Whereas the lack of press the Bob malcolm affair has taken up is appalling. What does this guy have to do to be pulled up for, if nothing else, bringing the game into disrepute?
19. David 11.26.04 / 12pm

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20. Derek 11.26.04 / 12pm

    Chris, do you have a problem with TFOA being played at Parkhead? When were Camara or Agathe racially abused? What “far right fascist chants”?
21. TIMAHOY 11.26.04 / 2pm

    DEREK
    You are a piece of work you realy are, when it was pointed out that Lennon played the same way at the Nou Camp as he plays every other park without the bile deirected his way from you cesspool, you reply with what if he’d spat on a Barca scarf or your other garbage.
    When will you idiots realize, his actions were precipitated by your vile, vile, actions, if you take away the first then the second is not a factor.
    If you ignore sectarianism or bigotry then you support and condone it.
    You are the problem.
22. We never ose at the Nou Camp 11.26.04 / 3pm

    Derek - I agree that spitting on the scarf was stupid and Lennon shouldn’t have done it but that aside, what’s the reason for the abuse he took the week before or the in every old firm match since he came to Scotland? I didn’t see Mcgeady spit on anything, why was he abused?
    There was a caller on the James Traynor phone-in on Saturday who when asked aboutthe Lennon abuse answered “He comes from Northern Ireland and plays for Celtic. Work it out for yourself”

    It’s time you admitted that there is a problem with sectarianism at Ibrox. Most right minded Celtic fans admit that there are people who follow The Bhoys who are bigots and are disliked by the majority. Don’t defend the undefendable.

    And what about David Murray showing his indignation at the comments made by MON. He sticks up for the fans and what happens next? 50,000 people calling O’Neill a Fen!an B@st@rd live on telly. Brilliant - you couldn’t make up stuff like that.
23. Laughing bhoy 11.26.04 / 3pm

    @Timahoy:
    Dear oh dear - how sad and paranoid. Of course Lennon is booed for partly sectarian reasons. I’m sure even most current-buns would admit this. But let’s get things in perspective - how many Irish catholics have we had playing for us over the years? Did they all get the treatment Lennon gets? Did they bollox. Why?
    Lennon gets abuse at every ground, even the Hibees, who have Irish, RC heritage going back farther than us. Why?
    Before you answer, here’s a hint: Ricksen seems to be getting a lot less stick this season (perhaps the ‘bears’ can confirm this) and he has simultaneously turned his game round, 180%. Coincidence?
24. Derek 11.26.04 / 3pm

    Nou Camp, I refer you to my comments made under the “Old Firm video evidence is conclusive” thread. Can’t be bothered repeating myself. (or else look at laughing bhoy’s comments - although I find it hard to accept he is actually a bhoy)
25. We never lose at the Nou Camp 11.26.04 / 3pm

    Missing the point Derek dear boy, you cannot just pass it off as thousands of people seething in hatred at a guy for doing his job in a way that they don’t like. I see people doing things I don’t like every day and I’m not inclined to berate them for it. Normal people don’t do that sort of thing.

    I’ll ask again - Why was McGeady given lots of verbal on Saturday? I don’t recall him being over committed to the cause, fouling, spitting etc. etc.

    And just for the record, I’ve not spoken to a Celtic fan yet who didn’t say that Celtic deserved to lose on Saturday. Most people I’ve spoken to are angry at Thompson & Sutton for letting the team down.
26. CB 11.26.04 / 4pm

    I’m just amazed that O’Neill is being accused of inflammatory gestures when a Rangers player had to be taken aside and spoken to by the police for his gestures.

    Conveniently forgotten that, isn’t it?
27. Derek 11.26.04 / 4pm

    Nou Camp, your job analogy is hardly a good one. Also normal people don’t stand up and sing “we are the IRA”. Normal people don’t go about spitting on scarfs and shouting DOB at opposition benches. We could go on at this all day.

    On the McGeady issue, I can’t say that I noticed him getting any more abuse than any other Celtic player. I’m not saying he didn’t, just that I didn’t notice it, and therefore can’t comment. I would have said that guys like McNamara got more abuse during that period but that wouldn’t fit into your profile that you are trying to create.
28. TIMAHOY 11.26.04 / 7pm

    DEREK
    Take a run at a career in politics, you never see, hear or acknowledge the achrimonious aspects of your own, and yet always take note of the opposition.
    Most of us on these sites are colour blind and then some are like you and just blind.
29. David Young 11.26.04 / 10pm

    I thought this article was excellent, I can’t wait to to take up some of these points with some of my celtic friends
30. Barca Bhoy 11.27.04 / 4am

    “Quite where the “carrying Scotland” bit comes from is a mystery. Well - okay - we know it comes from Marti’s spleen but, taking him at his word, we can’t fathom out his logic. The Uefa Coefficient system for seeding and places for each nation’s clubs works on a five-year delay, so, even last season, Celtic were reaping the benefits of Rangers’ past Champions League qualifying record and Uefa Cup run of 2001/2002 when the Parkhead club were allowed to qualify for Europe’s premier competition despite finishing second in the SPL in 2003.”

    ————————-

    These are the facts; forget season
31. Chris 11.27.04 / 8am

    For the record here are the eufa points gained by both clubs since 1999
    year celtic rangers
    1999-2000 6 11
    2000-1 5 12.5
    2001-2 10 11.5
    2002-3 22 2
    2003-4 17 5.5

    total 60 42.5
32. Derek 11.27.04 / 1pm

    Timahoy, I haven
33. Derek 11.27.04 / 7pm

    And on a change of subject, perhaps all those white than white, not at all hypocritical Celtic fans can explain the abuse that Chris Burke has received (and Neil McCann before him) from the Celtic fans?
34. Fat Eck - your tirED 11.27.04 / 7pm

    Derek - thanks for holding the fort, mate. You’ve put in more work to maitain a bit of blue reason on this thread than Ricksen does in a midfield shift.

    I think I could get into this “siege mentality” lark :-) Now I know why O’Neill finds it so addictive: I’ve never moaned so much in my life yet the site’s never been busier!!

    But, of course, the site’s only busy coz so many folk are wound-up and “ourtraged” - including yours Bluely and, frankly, that’s nae fun. I’d rathe rhave two hits a month and one feedback comment a year saying “good read” than all this keich. But ye cannae always sit back and let the nutters get away with it - even if there is, as this thread demonstrates, absolutely no chance of changing anyone of their tiny minds - sometimes ye just have to hit back and sod the consequences. This site’s all about saying what had to be said - O’Neill and his zealots need to at least know they are right in one respect: There ARE people out to get them: I’d now count myself amongst one of those pursuers.

    Thanks to Tony and Laughing bhoy for holding a hand out and David Young and Jack’s comments are appreciated.

    Ian - my “Source” was the STV Chamnpions League programme. he was ON CAMERA as well as on mike - so ye can perhaps get a lip-reading expert in to double-check what I “think” I heard

    Chris and Barca Bhoy - thanks for the effort you put into your posts - nice to know you care! No-one’s saying Rangers were better than Celtic in Europe in the last two seasons - just the twenty before that - but I think even your well-spun facts show that there’s little to indicate Rangers have needed carrying by anyone.

    Timahoy - this entire week has been my Xmas present to you: Hate, bile and reason gone out the window: You must be in heaven. And yet what thanks do I get from ye ? …

    And, as for those calling me a weirdo, sick, deluded etc. Yeah - and your point is?

    Fat Eck
35. TIMAHOY 11.27.04 / 10pm

    Derek
    OK I support all the things you say, now will you say you support bigotry and sectarianism?
36. K 11.27.04 / 11pm

    After all the Rangers-sectarian comments, “Tim” comes out and calls us huns - which of course cant be sectarian can it? well no because he’s a celtic fan. No it must mean that we are all members of any of several Asiatic nomadic peoples, who dominated Asia and Eastern Europe from before 300 B.C. Would that not make any Celtic fan calling us hun bastards, and i’m not saying you did this Tim, racists because of our “Asian” backgrounds?

    The next point that i feel must be made is that yes, the celtic fans did chant about the IRA but our fellow rangers fan chanted about not being sectarian, but being the UVF. now i don’t agree with this because, to be honest, i doubt 10% of those who chant that are members of the UVF and i’d feel the same about those celtic fans who chant about the IRA. both clubs are scottish, celtic may have irish heritage, but they are scottish at heart as they were formed here so can we stop the irish/english(british) nonsense, stop boing away fans who sing Flower of Scotland, our national anthem, and leave songs such as the sash, go on home british soldiers and other songs that have little to do with either of our teams out of scottish football.

    and finally i must congratulate MON on his saluting that glorious celtic support, and what a great support it is that can smirk while chanting “fuck davie cooper - he’s dead” trully the best supporters in the world.
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