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1. derrybhoy 05.16.05 / 10pm

   How warped are you ? Martin o ` Neil is no cretin..he`s a university law graduate who is only to aware of the sick system of football government that is the SFA. Of course he`s not going to come out and say what the dogs in the street know ie that rangers and the SFA are basically synonomous and he`d be putting his own head on the block by saying so.While we`re on the subject of cretins, I enjoy reading the regular cock-ups that your goodself and your fellow Huns make of their Queen`s English. Also, for what it`s worth Celtic have been signing `decent` protesant players since day one …Rangers had to be dragged into the twentieth century on this one.
2. Championing at the bit 05.16.05 / 11pm

   Ooh - hurts doesn’t it?
3. Anonymous 05.16.05 / 11pm

   The comparison of Craig Gordon charging up the field for a corner with two minutes to go at Tynecastle, his team trailing with nothing at stake, and him choosing not to venture from his 18 yard in a similar situation at Ibrox last week. I haven’t seen any post that questions his ‘right’ to score a goal against Celtic. It actually makes a pleasant change from the usual Hearts tactics ala Levein of 10 men behind the ball. And as far as criticising the Blessed Masrtin for the crap that the cretins dished out to Derek Stillie, well wasn’t it Chris Sutton that made that ‘remark’? But silly me, isn’t big Chris the spawn of satan’s (MO’N) loins as far as you and your bretheren are concerned? You are a bitter man as far as MO’N is concerned. Get over it, do you think he gives a toss what you think of him? The guy is laughing at you and all the idiots that he winds up, admit it, he’s got inside your head big time.
4. FrankJ 05.16.05 / 11pm

   A disappointing piece full of ill conceived rhetoric and rather crude name calling.

   One needs to note the absence of Craig Gordon attacking the Rangers penalty box last week with, as the author himself mentions, the exact same scoreline, where this week he obviously though himself a better striker than Lee Miller, a target for Rangers in the summer apparently. Maybe youre after the wrong man.

   As to the conspiracy theories, well we heard an awful lot after the Tynecastle/Andy Davis incident about how things always even themselves out over a season. Or does it only count if it’s evening out for Rangers?
5. Derek McGuire 05.17.05 / 12am

   Whatever.
6. Anonymous 05.17.05 / 12am

   Fat Eck
   Please give up this embarrassing rant of a column and get an education, before you go back to voting BNP. Each article worse than the last. It’s not even funny any more.
7. Sham67 05.17.05 / 1am

   Curiously the 4 stonewall penalties Celtic have been denied in their last games are not worth a single close up snapshot in any redtopped rag. The one on Bellamy against the sheep being the pick of the bunch IMHO.
   Good to see Elvis expanding his cultural repertiore by studying and learning from the great ballerinas though - great artistry - there’s a definitive Swan Lake performance in the lad just crying to be released.
   Set him free in tights FFS.
8. Stuart 05.17.05 / 8am

   derrybhoy - Where & when did MON study law, and what qualification does he have, precisely? I’ve heard many times that he is a law graduate, but have never been able to find out any more. Perhaps it is an urban myth, like the institutionalised bais against celtic??

   Anyway, his qualifications do not stop him from being an idiot - it just means he is an EDUCATED idiot, which is worse. Surely any kind of education which he has absorbed properly & has fully understood would mean he wouldn’t make his ill-considered, inflammatory & ignorant remarks in the first place?

   I had to laugh at your jibe at the use of English on tis site - from your own ramblings I can pick out “to aware” (should be “too”), “ie” (should be “i.e.”), “cock-ups” (technically, this should be “cocks-up”, as there is no plural of “up”), not to mention “synonomous” & “protesant”…..

   Surely even you get the message - if you want to be pedantic, at least try and not be hypocritical at the same time!

   FrankJ - So what are you saying? That players have to do the same things against Rangers as they do against celtic? Perhaps your paranoia is blinding you to a simple fact - the opposition on Sunday was irrelevant to the Hearts players. They had seen their manager sacked during the week, and perhaps wished to lighten the close season for their fans by putting their all into their final home game of the season. Surely understandable by all but the most blinkered & paranoiac fans (& MON….)
9. Anonymous 05.17.05 / 8am

   You are right, there is only a tenuous connection between both Tynecastle incidents and that is neither were penalties!!

   Willie Young is being vilified by Hearts and yes Rangers fans, those fans that accept refereeing decisions as categoric. Funny that when the media whip up a decision - a correct decision - as controversial, there is no holding you guys back.

   The mere fact that if it had been any one of Lovenkrands, Prso, Ricksen or Kyrgiakos going down at Ibrox the penalty would have been given, does not by default make it a penalty. (Buffel is an honourable exception).

   I can just see the headlines if it had been Petrov going down like that - try thinking about it.

   Pressley leaned in towards Beattie with his right leg and then launched himself with his left leg. Watch it, you know it’s true.

   As for your crass comments about Martin O’Neill, what does that make you. Your self indulgent, irresponsible remarks are wanky in the extreme. Who would take you to task before a regulatory board. Guys like you give new un regulated media forums a bad name.
10. Anonymous 05.17.05 / 8am

    you really do get worse every week. your last sane article was about 9 months ago. have a wee holiday over the summer time and see if that helps.
11. Derek 05.17.05 / 9am

    I thought it most amusing that the phone-ins last night seemed to be full of Celtic fans claiming refereeing conspiracies the day after a refereeing blunder awarded them the league. You couldn’t make it up.

    Sham67, what about the 4 stonewallers Rangers were denied in one half last week?

    Stuart, you forgot to mention Derrybhoy’s “o’ Neil” (3 mistakes in one word) and “to”, not forgetting his use the word “Huns” and the fact that he ignores Celtic’s sectarian boardroom policy. In which decade was it that they appointed their first “protesant” director?
12. bob 05.17.05 / 9am

    derryboy - if youu want to slag of peeples english then gonae check spelling of yir own posts you dumbfuck!
13. bob 05.17.05 / 9am

    Don’t know what the guy 3 posts down is on about? How can you salg off a post on a rangers fans website - if you don’t like the content don’t read it - dicks like you have no idea about media or the internet. There is no comparison to MO and his reckless comments in situations where 60,000 people are grouped in a stadium together and he is a figurehead of one of the clubs AND a post on a fans website. Stupidity doesn’t describe you. If you are really anoyed about what you read here at least try and make an intelligent point and prove you are smarter than us all.
14. No1Bhoy 05.17.05 / 9am

    not sure what the fuus is about - probably caused by the huns commentating on Setanta - IT WAS A DIVE!!!!

    I’ll admit it was a rash tackle and, although there was very little if any actual contact between Beattie & pressley, a penalty could have been given, the fact that pressley did an acrobatic dive instead of falling naturally over Beattie’s leg meant that what the ref saw was a DIVE. end of story

    MON THE HOOPS!
15. bob 05.17.05 / 9am

    Right - got that off my chest - so annoyed at the amount of trash posted on this site by those of the green side (hatred leads to the green side!).

    I really hope MON stays on as Celtic manager as they are a team on the way down without any doubt. He’s done a great job with the initial core players he brought in who are now getting past it but has hardly been a success with his fresh faces over the past few years. Will be interesting to see how he rebuilds his team? Will he bring in like for like with big guys suited to the bump and run style of football Celtic play or will he try something else? I have my doubts in his ability to adapt his style which is why Champions League progress will continue to elude him.

    On the Gers rebuilding for next summer - I really hope Eck can find a decent centre half as I don’t fancy big Marv in Europe - as much as I appreciate the job he’s done this year. A quality finisher should also be on the cards and a suitable wide left player to fill the gap left by Lovenkrands 2 years ago (last time I remember him doing anything decent). As much as Rickers does a good job in the middle I feel a true midfielder is needed to compliment Ferguson. I don’t think we will improve that much over the summer unless there are a few top quality bosmans hidden up Ecks sleave. Competing in the transfer market can be no fun for those in charge at the gers but future success relies on this more than whether we should have a new manager. I say 1 more year for Eck ands lets see us get to the CL group stage.
16. Anonymous 05.17.05 / 10am

    Bob, guy 3 posts down again, take a tablet it might help you get some sleep.

    This recently turned to drivel and nonsense actually makes it’s way regularly onto Newsnow’s Celtic feed, therefore, inadvertently is put right in front of celtic supporters. Your guy may want to change his header tags - thats a bit of internet speak, just in case you are unaware.

    This is no bad thing as a bit of balance can be acheived and this site has actually come up with some interesting debate in the past, strangely that was when it looked likely Rangers would win the league.

    From your intelligentsia standpoint, how do I know I dont like the content if I dont read it? Are you saying no Rangers orientated forum can be a good read to non Rangers people?
17. william of tangerine 05.17.05 / 10am

    tears on my pillow…Smell the glove ya rabid gobshite.
    O’Neill knows how to wind up the opposition very well which is obvious through your ramblings.
18. calscot 05.17.05 / 10am

    It’s doubly ironic how an ironic and reasonably funny dig at Celtic’s paranoia just digs up more paranoia from the green side.

    It’s interesting that most Rangers fans, while not being given enough evidence to conclusively say one way or the other, are either neutral on Kyrgiakos’ penalty or think it was a lucky mistake for us which evens out over a season. The green side shout ‘Conspiracy!’

    In contrast, with the Pressley ‘dive’ we can see MORE than the referee, it’s pretty obvious that he was fouled, but the way he goes down and the angle the ref sees makes the official think it’s a dive and so no penalty and a sending off. Despite this piece of good fortune, what do the green side think? ‘Conspiracy!!!’

    A team with a new manager try a slightly different tactic than a previous game and they have the temerity to try hard for a draw. What do the green side think? ‘Conspiracy!’.

    There’s two highscoring games for the Old Firm but Rangers score one more goal than Celtic. What’s up? ‘Conspiracy!’

    There’s something well wrong with these guys…
19. Sellik are Paranoid 05.17.05 / 3pm

    Erm…MON is NOT a law graduate. He did less than one year.

    Can anyone recall if Hearts actually got a corner in the last couple of mins against Rangers?

    Is no-one allowed to try and score against ra sellik n’that man?
20. Vancouvertim 05.17.05 / 5pm

    I have usually enjoyed reading your prose every week as I find you to be a rather inteligent chap who gives an honest account of most things Celtic and Rangers. However with this post I most heartedly disagree.

    I am sure you and the Rangers support will agree MON has been the most talismatic manager Celtic have had since the glory years of Jock Stein. It seems everything he has touched has turned to gold. As a Celtic supporter this has been a 180 degree turn from the days rangers and their 9-in-a-row years.

    MON loves his players and the support. He will say and do whatever he can to ensure victory. Yet, I have never even thought his words to be anti-Rangers. I am having a great deal of difficulty understanding that.

    As for Mr. Gordon’s foray into the Celtic penalty boxon the weekend…I reacall Rangers up 2-1 the week before in the 88th minute and he was firmly entranched within his own area. Conspiracy? Perhaps not but clearly an indication of where he wanted the league title to go.

    Vancouvertim
21. Derek 05.17.05 / 6pm

    Vancouvertim, so you watched the Rangers game against Hearts and noticed that Gordon never left his area? Hmmm. I’m most interested in how you know that.

    Perhaps you were at the game and you concentrated your attention on what the Hearts goalie did during the last 2 minutes of the game?

    Perhaps you watched the game on the TV and you had the playercam on Gordon and saw that he never left his area?

    Please tell me which of these it was.

    Please also advise which corner or free kick that Hearts had during the last 2 minutes of the game that you would have wanted Gordon to go into Rangers’ penalty box for.
22. Sham67 05.17.05 / 6pm

    Derek - “Sham67, what about the 4 stonewallers Rangers were denied in one half last week?”

    You may well have been denied 4 penalties BUT what’s that got to do with Elvis’s tribute to the Kirov Ballet with his impersonation of Rudolf Nureyev?
23. Fat Eck - your SolicitorED 05.17.05 / 7pm

    He-he-he. Was a bit dissapointed with the reaction as I started at the bottom and worked my way through the posts there, but then Vancouvertim saved the day. Only when I get an “I usually like your site but this is a step to far blah-de-blah” do i know I’m hitting the mark.

    Cheers, mate. Enjoy yerself on Sunday. If yese win it you’ll have deserved it - the league table never lies (well, unless Rangers are top of it, obviously:-))

    Martin O’Neill went to some college for a few weeks - wouldn’t know an llb from an SFA
    He got himself into the public gallery of the trial of the Yorkshire ripper and some other high profile cases - that’s where his legal “qualifications” start and end.

    I’ve stated time and again that I think he’s a great manager - do it in the first line of this rant. My problem with him - which I foolishly think I’ve illustrated here is that he’s a prick, who ups the anti-social behaviour of other pricks … me included.

    Bob, Stuart, Derek, Sellk are paranoid and Calscot - WELL SAID.

    Folk asking me to give up the website because I dared to say O’Neil is a tool - which he is, by the way … a wanker… did I mention that? - is indicative of teh kind of mindset he encourages: If it ain’t celtic, shut it down, demonise it.

    O’Neill aint no lawyer but by talking in a sickeningly serious tone at all times, investing every utterance with utterly inappropriate gravitas then the clueless and the sad automatically think he’s, like, really deep by the way.

    You meet hundreds of people like O’neill - all talking about injustice and wearing the right badges while actually behaving 100% fascistically and selfishly at every turn. Total disregard for the wider community.

    Fuck him.
24. frank hackett 05.17.05 / 8pm

    I just got introduced to this site by a friend and can see things have not changed in Scotland.The Papes and the prods are still hating each other.Over here in the states we have learned to get along and i will support any Scots team against the opponents no matter what.I have Celtic and a Rangers scarf to wear when the teams visit the states.Football the greatest game in the world is growing like widfire over here and i sincerely hope that bigotry does not follow.
25. U2 05.17.05 / 8pm

    Eck, Stuart, Derek, Bob, Calscot,

    (Apologies to any other superiority-complexed tossers I may have missed),

    When people live in a society that openly treats them as second class citizens, discriminates against them in employment, education and social terms, when they live with an establishment that not only turns a blind eye to said discrimination but actively practices it, it will take more than a generation for those feelings of mistrust, suspicion and injustice to be eradicated.

    This was Scotland, openly and brazenly, in the 60s, 70s and 80s. Things began to change then, and for some inexplicable reason, society acknowledges now what it never did then - that such prejudices did exist back then. They didn’t acknowledge it at the time though.

    Here we are in 2005. Have things moved on? Yes, for sure. Does it still exist? Yes, for sure. But it won’t be acknowledged now. Maybe in 20 years, when it moves on another wee bit with another generation, will it be acknowledged that it existed during this period.

    The point of all this? People have very good reason to be suspicious, to question motives in this country. I’m old enough to remember. I’m intelligent enough (or so my mum says) to recognise why this community still has doubts. In my view, the conspiracy DID exist. It was inherent, it was institutionalised and it was real.

    Today it’s not a conspiracy. But it exists, in individuals, in certain groups when they gather.

    Unless you have been experienced at first hand these discrimatory practices and been on the receiving end of “what school did you go to” questioning (for real), unless you have witnessed authorities exclude an entire community from employment, of which you and your family are, you really won’t understand.

    Your blind to it. You don’t sense it because you’ve never experienced it. And it can’t be eradicated - neither the discrimination nor the mistrust that it breeds - overnight.

    What was Jim Farry’s motivation I wonder?
    What was the SFA’s investigating commitee’s motivation?
    What was the SFA’s motivation in appointing Andy Davis to the cup final?
    I wonder what Donald Findlay’s motivation was for all those years?

    When you’ve lived with it you are by nature suspicious. Paranoia? Maybe. I wonder if Donald has changed his ways. If he has, I wonder if it was simply because he was caught? Then again, maybe he hasn’t.
26. Timahoy 05.17.05 / 10pm

    U2, I’ve been saying these facts for quite some time and perhaps while not as lucidly as you just have, at least as honestly as you did. People who have never been exposed to a biased society can easily be blind to it, it does not make all of them bad people just unaware, how many of them have applied for jobs, only to sense the abrupt change of mood once the origin of your education is discussed, how many of them are aware that to work in the printing industry in Scotland was almost impossible for a Catholic, right up to the early nineties and may still be so, how many know the same thing went for selling in the construction trades, if they didn’t know it then they’re no guilty of the concpiricy. However those that did know were guilty.
    Yes perhaps we are suspicious and maybe even a touch paranoid, but you can be paranoid and still be right.

    On the matter of some of the comments attributed to Martin O’Neill, I once asked a friend of mine who happens to be a Rangers supporter, “why do you fly the UJ and sing GSTQ” his answer was a candid “because it pishes you lot off”… mibees Martin’s not so daft?
    Does it make you wonder why so many Rangers fans on this site are so concerned as to St Martins education that they even say “I’ve heard of it, but have never been able to find out any more” as if they have been scouring the net, well then again maybe they have.
27. Sham67 05.17.05 / 10pm

    You’re sounding a wee bit bitter there Fat Eck. Take it easy - you don’t want to go worrying your mother needlessly - she worries enough about you already.
    Some clarification is called for right enough though. Where, when, why, who with, what texts and tomes and for how long did MON study The Law.
    Feck the league - THIS DEMANDS AN IMMEDIATE ANSWER. It’s made insomniacs of us all. The world awaits transfixed for the denouement - (I’d cast Brad Pitt as Big Eck and Tom Cruise as MON - obviously Robert De Niro of ‘Raging Bull’ persona will be you Eck.)
28. Midget 05.17.05 / 11pm

    I seem to remember your very own big Feck was on Soccer AM a few weeks back going on about how Loyal this was and how Loyal that was… Obviously he wasn’t pandering to the needs of a certain section of your support. Frank Hacket… Fuck Off!!! (Don’t take that personally)
29. vagabond 05.17.05 / 11pm

    Guys,when will you realise that we are opposites of the same coin,whether you like it or not it is the case.(You guys will be heads,Queens moosh and all that!!)

    The reason why MON pisses you off is because he is successful.I know how you feel,I hated Wattie with a passion!!

    Your happiness is directly related to Celtics’ success or lack of it as the case may be.At the moment I’m happy but that could quickly change with a few bad signings,as Advocaat and many 90’s Celtic managers have proved.

    The paranoia isn’t all in our mind, but football just allows us to vent years of discrimination towards us in a positive way.If you wonder what I mean by positive,if officials are scared to give decisions against us that has got to be a plus!!!
30. Derek 05.18.05 / 7am

    Sham67, it’s as relevent as the “the 4 stonewall penalties Celtic have been denied in their last games” that you mentioned.
31. Boaby 05.18.05 / 9am

    @U2:

    I know exactly what you mean mate.

    “Unless you have been experienced at first hand these discrimatory practices and been on the receiving end of “what school did you go to” questioning (for real),”

    Been there, done that, was almost beaten up, on account of having a ‘Proddy’ surname and I’m not even Protestant. This occurred in a ‘Celtic’ pub I used to work in. Was asked which school I went to and what my surname was on my first day. Fast forward six months to Celtic losing in Europe and some “I played in the Sellick unner twinty-wans wi’ McStay” arsehole is trying to pull me over the bar, by the tie. His explanation? Thought I was ‘proddy’. Luckily the owner (who actually *DID* play for Celtic at one time, knew I was a Rangers fan and didn’t give a toss) grabbed the twat by the throat and lobbed him out the door.

    “unless you have witnessed authorities exclude an entire community from employment, of which you and your family are, you really won’t understand.”

    Indeed. Good friend of mine is a recently qualified teacher. Applied for a job in a ‘Catholic’ school. At the interview she was told that, while the “don’t discriminate and welcome people from all backgrounds” she would never be offered promotion. Why? Because she isn’t catholic.

    So you’re right, U2. Discrimination is alive and well in Scottish society. ;-)
32. U2 05.18.05 / 1pm

    Boaby,

    Interesting point you make ref employment in Catholic schools. The first thing I want to say is that my own view on the need for separate schooling is that it’s no longer necessary and should be phased out now. Just to set the record straight.

    Secondly, I do not believe for one second that your friend was told at the interview that she would not be promoted “because she was not a Catholic”. Not a chance. It may be that she didn’t have the necessary qualifications to perform the role required of a Head of Dept in an RC school because part of that role requires Religious Education and guidance in the RC faith, and from that she comes to that conclusion.

    However, I do believe that she has suspicions that she wouldn’t get that job or that promotion simply because she’s not RC. Maybe, because she’s very aware that she is in an RC school for interview and not an RC that she has an underlying sense of exclusion that has led her to a conclusion that she is being discriminated against.

    Maybe she is showing signs of paranoia.

    It’s an interesting example. Extrapolate that scenario to the world of journalism, ship building, printing, computing, labouring, golf clubs, bowling clubs, football club(!!), police, law…..and you start to scratch the surface.

    I’m sure she has a mistrust now of RC schools, real or imaginary. Perhaps she can relate to how an entire community across all trades and skills has grown up.
33. Gogs 05.18.05 / 2pm

    U2

    I fully understand what you mean. I was baptised, christened, or whatever you call it a ‘Protestant’, but since I haven’t been to church since I was about 10 (finally old enough to make my parents stop taking me) and I don’t really believe in God I don’t think that I could honestly class myself as being a ‘Protestant’ now.

    Anyway, you’re right when you say that unless you’ve been on the receiving end of such discrimination you can’t possibly understand what it was like, and as a ‘Prod’ it seems that I went to the right schools etc… to avoid it.

    There comes a time however, for things to be left in the past, and as you admit yourself things are being admitted to now that weren’t before, and although discrimination still exists (and let’s be honest here, will sadly NEVER vanish completely)it’s not NEARLY as bad as it was before.

    The point our esteemed ed was trying to make was (IMHO) that sometimes, the way Martin O’Neill acts, he brings all this back to the surface, which continually stokes the Celtic (or Catholic, or both) fans sense of injustice.

    It’s all very well trying to ‘wind people up’ or say things to help your team, but as Eck says, continually playing the ‘paranoid’ card just makes him a wanker!

    Vagabond

    Yes of course we get pissed off when Celtic are successful, the same as you guys do when we are. BUT, that’s not why I dislike him. As I’ve said, he seems to deliberately try to inflame situations (whether justified or not), and given the amount of idiots there are on both sides, I don’t really think that that’s a smart thing to do.
34. Boaby 05.18.05 / 4pm

    @U2:

    You may well be right about the wording - I’ll clarify the next time I speak to her, probably later tonight.

    “Maybe she is showing signs of paranoia.”

    Hahaha! touch
35. U2 05.18.05 / 5pm

    By the way, in case it wasn’t clear what point I was trying to make, my original post was by way of explanation as to why Celtic supporters tend to have this mistrust underlying, or paranoia as our good friends from Ibrox like to fob it off as. Is Andy Davis incompetent or his he an individual carrying on a practice we know still exists in some people in Scotland today?? If unsure, those who have experienced it will tend to think the latter as a first reaction.

    It wasn’t meant as a new thread on the actual discriminatory practices that existed or exist.
36. Big Billy Blue Nose 05.19.05 / 6pm

    What a pile of shite!
37. Sham67 05.19.05 / 9pm

    “What a pile of shite!” uttered Big Billy Blue Nose as he gazed longingly at his reflection in the mirror.
38. Fat Eck - your prejudicED 05.21.05 / 12am

    U2 - Good for you. God knows I’m feeling WELL superior to every Catholic I know - especially my mum and both my grandfathers.

    Away and wake up.

    “Why did Sunday SUDDENLY start following Saturday”?

    “Why did the moon mostly come out at NIGHT time? Mmm? Someone answer me THAT?!”

    “Why is it that The Rangers support suffered the worst disaster in Scottish Football history and yet Celtic are the persecuted ones and we barely mention it, far less revel in it as some would?”

    “Why did the worst crime in Scottish Football history happen over many years at Celtic Boys club yet Celtic FC are the perennial victims and Rangers are the evil ones?”

    If yese would stop preening yerself on yer attempt at a moral high ground for just one second, you’d realise that the above maters go BEYOND football and even further beyond the realms of what team you follow or what religion you’re a victim of - they prove that no-one is superior and no-one is inferior: We’re all just trying to avoid being FUCKED from day one.

    The folk who get on my tits are the ones who claim it’s otherwise - and thus make an already challenging life more difficult for us.

    “Who the fuck do Celtic fans think they’re kidding with this shite?”

    Think it’s yerselves.

    We are indeed two sides of the same coin - only one side is happy to take the slings and bows while the other just can’t stop kidding itself it’s different.

    Timahoy - “I’ve been saying these facts for quite some time” has to be the best phrase I’ve read on this site in, well, quite some time. Fucking brilliant, mate. I’m using it on a regular basis from now on. We’ll make you famous if it kills us.

    Enjoy yerselves on Sunday, lads - at least when yer team wins the league it’ll stop ye moaning for a second or two.

    Really, - if things are so bad here, why don’t yese just fuck off somewhere else.

    And once yese get there, I’ll join yese!

    Fat Eck

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