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1. BigRab 05.22.05 / 7pm

   I hope sellic fans have taken note of what happens when you do the bouncy at the Palace. I had a premonition before that last old firm game but when I watched them doin’ the bouncy I knew then that the title was destined for Ibrox. MESSAGE:- DON’T EVER EVER EVER DO THE BOUNCY AGAIN!!!! Now for a chorus of “Let’s all laugh at celtic……….”
2. CB 05.22.05 / 8pm

   Watching in Orlando - my home - my feelings and reaction echoed yours … what a day. never stop believing.
   First is everything, second is nothing — Fernando summed it up.
3. Tyler 05.22.05 / 8pm

   Congrats to rangers, can’t quite express how gutted I am right now but the league table doesn’t lie, Rangers deserve their title, If you can’t beat motherwell to win the league then you don’t deserve anything. The cup final’s a bit of a damp squib now, can’t really be bothered going…
4. east End Bhoy 05.22.05 / 9pm

   For Fuck’s sake!!!!!!!!
   Raging Celtic fan here…about to do my biscuit.
   Have we not learned from the last time…I remember my Gers supporting mates saying to me then…”We won the league but fuck knows ho we did it!!!”
   Talk about deja vu all over again…gutted doesn’t describe it.
   No really, I’ll still be a Tim the morra so that can’t be a bad thing.
   I wouldn’t blame MON for taking a break.
   He’s done all he can for the team and now it’s up to the Board to front some cash for players, who won’t quit till it’s over.
   Congratulations, enjoy your victory, party on Bhoys…and I hope your heid’s the size of a stair heid in the morning…the season starts again in a few months…roll on summer.
   I’m away tae throw up.
   ;-)
   Hail Hail
5. East End Bhoy 05.22.05 / 9pm

   For Fuck’s sake!!!!!!!!
   Disappointe….who am I kidding…’Fucking Gutted’ Celtic fan here…about to do my biscuit.
   Have we not learned from the last time…???
   I remember my Gers supporting mates,(hope they’ve all emigrated by now…) saying to me then…”We won the league but fuck knows ho we did it!!!”
   Talk about deja vu all over again…Gutted doesn’t describe it.
   Ach,no really, I’ll still be a Tim the morra, so that can’t be a bad thing.
   I wouldn’t blame MON for taking a break.
   He’s done all he can for the team, and now it’s up to the Board to front some cash for players, who won’t quit till it’s over.
   Congratulations, enjoy your victory, party on ‘BlueBhoys’…and I hope your heid’s the size of a stair heid in the morning…the season starts again in a few months…roll on summer.
   I’m away tae throw up…all over ma neighbours nice new blue carpet.
   ;-)
   Hail Hail
   East Ender.
6. East End Bhoy 05.22.05 / 9pm

   Fuck! That’s how Gutted I am…hit the ENTER button before I was finished, and then did it again, once I made the appropriate ‘grammatical’ changes.
   Heid up my arse time no doubt.
   Apologies for being all over your s(h)ite but…ach fuckit…
   Ah’m away tae greet ma fucking eyes oot.
7. Derek 05.22.05 / 9pm

   :-)
8. Charles 05.22.05 / 11pm

   Well, how do you spell SHITE because thats how we feel, kudos to you lot for believing in your team, to be honest I never gave you a fleeting chance to win the league, even with us missing half a dozen great champions and Motherwell having Peter Schmichael in net I still thought we’d win.
   Losing this is worse than the Seville year, but congrats to you, if we can’t beat a diidy team then we don’t deserve it, and the table doesn’t lie, tomrrow you might have a hangover but you’ll still be champions.
9. U2 05.22.05 / 11pm

   U N B E L I E V A B L E .

   I can’t express the way I feel tonight.

   I also can’t believe we’ve lost this league to THIS Rangers team.

   To everyone I’ve cross swords witn this season, congratulations.

   Rangers won, Celtic lost. I wish I could leave it at that, and I will tonight, because you wil be soooooo pished enjoying the celebraton. But, FUCK SAKE - ANDY DAVIS, what a pivotal it turned out to be….

   Eck, you are passionate, if not more so than I am, I imagined my nates from the blue side when thge second Motherwell goal went in and thought how wonderful it must be - even more so than my disappointment - so you won’t read this until Tueaday when you sober uop….we can debate then.

   Not happy, but then I reckon you all know that….
10. David Runciman 05.23.05 / 2am

    I would like to send congratulations to the Celtic supporters who have contributed to this site today. You guys must be gutted but you are willing to say well done to RFC on winning the league title. Yes, you can be hurt/sick/F8%@3ed in the heid but it shows good sportsmanship to acknowledge your fiercest rivals victory.
    I am away to the airport to pick up Scott and to make sure that we enjoy a couple of sherbets with his mum.
    Always believe.
11. Derek 05.23.05 / 9am

    Timahoy, U2, Charles, Harry, Jack McConnell, Graham Spiers, Elaine C Smith, Neil Lennon, Chris Sutton, Billy Connolly, Jim Kerr, George Galloway, Mark Guidi,
    Martin O’Neill Draco Malfoy Brian Quinn, Willie Young, Albert Kidd, Chic Charnley, Steve Conroy, Ronnie Cully, Michael Kelly, The last 12 Lord Provosts of Glasgow, Graham Spiers, Sarah O, Fran Healy, Cherie Blair, Henrik Larsson, Craig Bellamy, the missing 24,000 in Seville, Dominik Diamond, Burnsybhoy Sean Connery Alex Salmond Mick Galloway, Jimmy Johnstone, Chris from my work, Jim Murphy MP, my minister, Tommy Sheridan, Hugh Keevins, Gerry McNee, Paul Cooney, Nick From CelticOpenfootball, Rod Stewart, Liam Miller, Roy Keane, Eck’s mate “Spiero”, Noel Gallagher, Teenage Fanclub, John Higgins, Adam Crozier, Raphael Scheidt, John Barnes, Billy McNeill, Pierce Flynn, Alan Brazil, Peter Grant, Peter Martin/Maguire, Brian from Big Brother, Graham Spiers

    YOUR BHOYS TOOK A HELL OF A BEATING!

    “Let the others come after us, we welcome the chase”

    “The things that are impossible to man are possible to god”
12. John 05.23.05 / 9am

    Thanks for a great site BFE. I don’t know how long this site has been going. I stumbled accross it this season. I don’t often post but I enjoy your random musings. This has become my favourite football site.

    I live in NZ so I the internet is my main source of football news. Enjoy the off season. From about 12 years of age until I left Scotland about 26 years ago I rarely missed a Rangers game in Scotland home or away. I envy all the bears at home. I don’t think the moaners among our support appreciate the simple privilage of being able to go to Ibrox every other week. After all these years I miss it more than ever. The internet is a poor substitute but it beats going to a Rugby game.
13. Gogs 05.23.05 / 9am

    U2

    I was going to have a go at you for mentioning Andy Davis, but then I realised you and your fellow Tims must be f***ing GUTTED! TWICE in three years, you’ve lost the league on the last day of the season. OUCH!!!!! I can’t even begin to imagine how sore that must be. The Scottish Cup final next week is an afterthought, and I wouldn’t be surprised if you lost that as well, simply because of the disappointment on Sunday.

    Just remember, Andy Davis wasn’t there when Hibs beat you 3-1 at Parkhead, and he CERTAINLY wasn’t there yesterday when Scott McDonald (my new hero I think!!) scored twice in the last 90 seconds.

    The championship was in YOUR hands, and you blew it. PURE AND SIMPLE. Five points ahead after you beat us with 4 games to go.No conspiracies, no dodgy last minute sendings off, penalties, goals disallowed………NOTHING. You dropped six points from twelve with no assistance from masonic match officials. Even the guy who scored against you yesterday (*sigh*, my hero…) is a TIM!

    Once again…YOU FUCKING BLEW IT! You’ve only yourselves to blame….

    However, and I genuinely mean this, kudos to you and your fellow Celts for showing up here, and thanks for the congratulations…

    To Fat Eck. I hear ya big man. Same to you…:o)

    To my fellow Gers, there’s never a bad day, but isn’t today a F***ING AWESOME DAY to be a Teddy Bear!!!!!!
14. Derek 05.23.05 / 10am

    Charles, U2 & East End Bhoy, thanks for your congratulations. I’m not sure I would have been able to venture onto here as quickly had the positions been reversed so all credit to you guys.

    LSR, you were correct, mate. You believed when I and many others didn’t.

    Stuart, I reckon McLeish just does it to annoy you.

    Probably not a championship we necessarily deserved, but it doesn’t make it any less sweet. I think it’s the first Rangers’ championship in 27 years that I wasn’t there to witness the win. It was a weird feeling watching it at home. All in all, a weird end to a weird season.
15. Boaby 05.23.05 / 10am

    Almost as sweet as two years ago. Still can’t believe Celtic managed to blow it so spectacularly. Not since Hearts chucked it in ‘85(?) can I remember a team imploding. Six points in the final four games. I’ve been defending McLeish all season but even I would want him punted after that kind of collapse. Suddenly O’Neil doesn’t seem so fantasically brilliant anymore.

    Kudos to the Celtic fans on here. Very gracious in defeat.
16. Stuart 05.23.05 / 11am

    Derek

    I think you may have forgotten to mention Graham Speirs… :)

    Obviously, my reverse psychology has made the difference to McLeish - the more I tell him he’s rubbish, the more he has to prove me wrong. Very clever of me….

    Remarkable day, & a remarkable championship. I think the least worst team won - similar to when we just failed to win 10-in-a-row. Huge credit to McLeish & the players for never giving up the fight. Let’s use this as a foundation on which to build a great side.

    I wish I were always this annoyed with McLeish!!

    And credit the Celtic fans for giving their congratulations on the site - much appreciated.
17. Bison Heid 05.23.05 / 11am

    Wits wi the Celtic - Rangers love in!! Congrats this, the better team won etc etc!!! B8llox tae the lot ae yeez. Yooz are lucky and ugly!!
    We dont care what the animals say!! See yeez in the UEFA Cup!!! nuggets!!!!
18. Coo Heid fae Bradford 05.23.05 / 11am

    Nae problem to the Teddy Bears, we always had it in the bag!!
19. Stuart 05.23.05 / 12pm

    Correction Bison Heid - We’re lucky, ugly CHAMPIONS!
20. Timahoy 05.23.05 / 12pm

    Yez never won the league it was given to you by a bunch of dodgy descisions that the masonic institute awarded to you all season long, penalties given and refused which only went your way, yer a bunch o cheatin bastards, who’s player of the year for two of the last three years is Gordon (bastard) Marshell!!
    OK. the above is for all the huns who expect me to say these things, in reality a season is not won on one game, regardless of what happened two of the last three years, it’s won over a 38 game schedule and while I believe we were the better team over that span, the numbers don’t lie, Rangers never throw in the towel when it would have been the easy thing to do and for that they get my respect, but only foe a game or two.
    The Scottish cup has become, to me at at least a diddy cup following yesterday, but the loss of the league means much more than just a “get it up ye feeling” I’m off to drown my sorrows and wish Eck, Derek and Stuart in particular, and all other huns in general a stoatin hangover.
21. Lone Star Ranger 05.23.05 / 1pm

    Just wanted to share the highs with all the other regulars on here…but especially to Eck for keeping us all going with the banter this season. Words can’t describe the feeling of winning the league this year…we’ve come a long way…further than I expected with the 8 new additions over the season.

    I think ahve found some more believers? 8-)

    All the best Bears

    God Blessed the Rangers
22. Lone Star Ranger 05.23.05 / 2pm

    NEWSFLASH: Motherwell reported to Health and Safety Executive after McDonalds double whopper
    makes thousands sick…

    Boom Boom!

    8-)
23. Wullie the Tim. 05.23.05 / 7pm

    Nice to see we can lose with dignity.
    Unlike some of the gloating bastards on our site…so, remember this next time you’re thinking of climbing onto the moralistic high ground…there’s idiots on both sides who fuck it up for everyone.
    Enjoy your celebrations while they last.
24. Lone Star Ranger 05.23.05 / 9pm

    WtT,

    “Nice to see we can lose with dignity.”
    That’ll be shining bright 8-)

    “Unlike some of the gloating bastards on our site…”
    We’re not on your site. Stay here if you think its more civilised tho 8-)

    “Enjoy your celebrations while they last.”
    They’re gonnae last about 12 months Willie old son 8-)

    I think you’ll find fair responses on both sides below…all things considered. Kudos to the regular tim posters on here who did not hide. Don’t know if I could have done the same!

    Awra
25. Johnny 05.23.05 / 9pm

    Eh isnt it burger king who sell whoppers? I’m sure fat eck will know! ;-)
26. Coo Heid fae Bradford 05.24.05 / 9am

    Bison has the biggest heid in Bradford city
27. Bison Heid 05.24.05 / 9am

    Coo Heid huz the wee’ist coak in West Yorkshire!!
28. Coo Heid fae Bradford 05.24.05 / 9am

    still biggeer than Bisons, aw his genetics went to the cranium.
29. Nigel Bovaird 05.24.05 / 12pm

    With regards to your opinion poll, on the right, asking for the most appropriate movie to sum up Big Eck’s Season. How about Gone in 60 seconds, starring Scott McDonald, Big Eck, Nacho Novo and MON!!!!
30. Gogs 05.24.05 / 2pm

    Can anyone point me to anywhere where I can download highlights of both games…?
31. andy 05.24.05 / 2pm
    
    
32. Coo Heid fae bradford 05.24.05 / 4pm

    EB, KS, AA
33. Fat Eck - your humblED 05.24.05 / 8pm

    U2 - spot on,sir - It’s Tuesday and I’m only now reading yer post. Trouble is, I’m heading out again - the celebrating just isn’t stopping I’m afraid but I really must genuinely apologise for the lack of pieces on the site right now.

    All I can say is that we have all summer to write a rant on every minute of Sunday’s events and every player who wore The Gersey this season.

    Sorry, troops but I’m too busy getting round all my friends and family I didn’t see at the weekend. Even worse, my old drinking problem has resurfaced - two hands to hold the pints but only one mouth to sup with.

    U2, Charles and Timahoy - appreciated. Really appreciated. As with all the other Celtic visitors on this thread who offefred us congratulations, they’re all humbly received.

    Johnny - yes, Burger King indeed. McDonalds offers the Big Mac but I’m afraid I always plump (and I mean “PLUMP”) for Kentucky Fried Chicken … ahhhh those buckets !

    Stuart - read Derek’s Norwegian commentator impersonation again - “Speiro” gets a mention okay. But if you EVER stop slagging McLeish we’re all fucked! :-) Just like me, piling on the negativity at moments of genuine hope in the hope of double-bluffing my fate-tempting habits - how much superstition did we all get into over the last few weeks and what levels did it reach on SUnday???!!! Lets just say it started with me buying blue shaving foam and ended with me picking a blue thread off the carpet and positioning it on stereo through which I was listening to the game.

    Lone Star - you believed enough for all of us,mate .. maybe even enough for Big Marv: Big Marv whose church i;m about to join … it’ll help me dry out …

    Got to go again, Troops but I’ll be back to talk about THOSE games … just as soon as I can mention them without bursting into tears again …

    It was the roar, the roar from the away end at Easter Road … before Paul Mitchell even told us Motherwell had equalised … you knew … fuck me … you knew … Derek, yer right - not being there makes it weird - not seeing it on teh telly made it even weirder but the sheer overpowering GLORY of it all made me not give a fuck about seeing it. I felt it - and knowing there were Bluenoses there, some who I know personally, all who I know instinctively, brought teh game right into our front rooms anyway …I don’t know about Marv and Lone Star but I sSTILL CAN’T Believe it!!!

    Simply The Best

    Johnny in NZ - cheers mate - Appreciated.

    Alex Mcleish - cheers,mate - appreciated.

    Fat drunk Eck
34. Derek 05.24.05 / 9pm

    Gogs, try
    http://w1.isohunt.com/download.php?mode=bt&id=4375555

    Eck, I think you’re doing my trick and not reading in detail what I wrote!
35. The Truth !!!! 05.25.05 / 1am

    To quote A Chap who won a bottle of Whiskey from the daily record yesterday “If McLeish believes it was his greatest achievement, it says a lot about his lack of ambition. It’s not an achievement to profit from a Celtic collapse.”
    Celtic dropped the Title & rangers were there grovelling around Our coat tails to pick it up. There’s No indignimony in losing by a ball hair, as when We Win it’s by a Country mile.
    If We can’t win it by the usual Large margin against such a rag taggle shower then We Need this kind of Wake Up call to make Us Call for European Standard Players & Then the domestic league looks after itself.
    Celtic’s defence has been undependable ever since Bobo caught Malaria & no-one takes that into account, let alone the terrible illness Martin O’Neill’s had to live with as it slowly kills His wife.
    Not to mention the worst injury list We’ve carried for many Years at a key part of the season.
    Add to That, that everywhere You look ie in the press or on TV or coming from the radio there’s a bitter orange sniper trying to undermine Everyone involved with the Celts, whilst supporting the dark side.
    That Does get through to even the most hardened campaigner. ie You can become very weary through disgust at this & lack of a Fitting Praise.
    If You’re not deaf, then You can hear the fans at every ground Celtic play at singing “Hello hello, we are the Silly boys” Their players play their hearts out against Celtic & Have Had success in the first & last 10 minutes for the last dozen or so games.
    Unless You’re blind You See those Same teams come out like meek little lambs against rangers & throw in the towel 10 minutes from the end. As Hibs did on Sunday.
    The exception to this last rule is Dundee United & of course Inverness Caley Thistle.
    Motherwell FC used to be a team that prided itself on trying to beat rangers & Celtic Equally, the Bonuses Scott MacDonald openly talked about after the game that the aptly named Butcher offered Him for a draw & the additional bonus for a win speaks Volumes, when You compare it to the
36. Boaby 05.25.05 / 9am

    The Truth?
    Your ‘best manager since Jock Stein’ threw away six points in the last four games. Face it - the best manager in most of your support’s lifetimes, is honk.
    Rangers are a poor team, yet ‘Saint Martin’ couldn’t even beat them. The only tpye of team that Celtic truly are is a very poor one, British or not.

    What’s ‘indignimony’ mean anyway? You’ve written it twice now, so it must mean something.

    As for never being at the top, Rangers have won the title 51 times. Not only plenty more than your manky mob but a world record.

    What a pathetic attempt to project your miserable, twisted emotions onto us.

    Away and pick yer knuckles aff the flair and use them to wipe the screen you steamed up by breathing through your toothless mouth. ;-)
37. Boaby 05.25.05 / 10am

    BTW, have you heard the latest BS from big John Koffee, I mean Marvin Andrews? “I know the person who is responsible for what happened yesterday is the Lord Jesus Christ and the Almighty God so I am so thankful to God,” he said. “I have been thanking God all day and went to church last night to thank God. It has just been so wonderful and showed me how great the Almighty God is.”

    How arrogant to assume that ‘God’ will favour his team, over the others. It implies the other team are somehow evil or not deserving of God’s favour and, much as I like the big man’s honest style of defending, that kind of patter is embarrassing. It basically amounts to a Rangers player claiming ‘God’ doesn’t like Celtic. Some of the more rabid might even see it as sectarian. Big Eck should have a word with him and tell him to keep his nutty religious gobbledygook for church.

    Well done to him for playing on with his injury though. Excellent seasom for the big man.
38. bob 05.25.05 / 11am

    Boaby -
    With you on that one mate. A little bit embarassing - he sounds almost like a tim. Maybe he’s just saying all that guff to piss them off - they think they have the monopoly on divine intrvention. Well impressed with the big guy on the park - though not sure about him for Champions League if we get there???
39. Stuart 05.25.05 / 12pm

    Boaby, the idiot below also posted this rant on the Openfootie celtic site a couple of days ago. At the time, I thought he must be a closet Rangers fan trying to make celtic fans look bad. The fact that he’s now posted this verbose drivel on here makes me think he’s just a sad, twisted attention-ssker with some deep-seated delusions & a great deal of repressed anger.

    Who said “Typical Celtic fan, then”?? ;)

    Big Marv should keep his religious views & opinions to himself. As the OF have just launched yet another offensive against the bigots, the less we hear of religion in connection with either Rangers or celtic the better.

    Fat Eck - Superstition can go too far. The last OF match I watched was when we lost 1-0 in the league at parkned. Since then, I’ve not been able to see (or listen to) OF matches live, & we’ve actually won a couple. I then listened to the last league match at Ibrox, and look at what happened. I wasn’t able to listen to the matches on radio on Sunday, and we won the league. I’m now in a position where I can’t watch or listen to any Rangers match in case I jinx them! My wife’s delighted, but I’d rather not follow our progress on teletext. If this would only happen with celtic, I’d buy a parkned season ticket;)
40. Boaby 05.25.05 / 12pm

    Stuart,
    I saw that he’d posted it there. I was hinting at that when I mentioned he’d used the word “indignimony” twice; once here and once there. :-)
    I also noticed at the Celtic site that he appears to need to pretend to be someone else, praising his own drivel, in a desperate attempt to convince people he isn’t talking utter bollox. Failed miserably at that too.
    Gives you a laugh though, dunnit? :-D
41. Stuart 05.25.05 / 12pm

    Just read on the BBC website confirmation of MON’s departure.

    From a football perspective, I’m delighted to see the back of him, particularly having been vanquished in such spectacular fashion on Sunday.

    Unfortunately though, his departure has nothing to do with football. Although I don’t like the way he works, I genuinely wish him & his family the very best in their worrying situation and hope the eventual outcome is positive. Puts our petty squabbling about football in perspective.
42. Bubba 05.25.05 / 12pm

    The Truth!!!!

    What the hell are you on???

    That is the biggest load of bollocks I have ever read, it would be funny if it wasn
43. Charles 05.25.05 / 1pm

    Stuart, I appreciate your words on O’Neill and it brings home how frail we all are.
    I’ll leave it at that with the conviction that most people will feel the same way.
44. Gogs 05.25.05 / 1pm

    Stuart

    Here here. Couldn’t have put it better myself. I notice though, that Strachan (never liked him, honest! :o) )is only on a one year rolling contract, so it’s not beyonds the bounds of possibility that Martin O’Neill could be back to haunt us again…

    Anyway, best wishes to his missus. Hope she makes a full recovery, and keeps him at home for the next 10 years…
45. Gogs 05.25.05 / 1pm
    
    
46. Gogs 05.25.05 / 1pm

    Dear oh dear!!!

    That should of course have been Hear Hear, and beyond - not beyonds. AND, to add insult to injury, I then proceeded to post an empty comment.

    *sigh*
47. Boaby 05.25.05 / 1pm

    Stuart,

    > Puts our petty squabbling about football in perspective.

    It certainly does mate. I wish Mr. & Mrs O’Neill all the best in their coming struggle.
48. Stuart 05.25.05 / 1pm

    Boaby - Yes, I’ve just seen his attempts at self-glorification as well. Funniest thing I’ve read for ages.

    Oh, and can I be the first to call Strachan an over-opinionated, talentless wee nyaff? I’m looking forward to the first OF match of next season already.
49. Boaby 05.25.05 / 2pm

    I’ve always had a high regard for Strachan but, earlier this season when he was being mentioned as a replacement for Eck, I was against it.
    He is obviously a decent enough manager who knows the game inside out and he can be quite funny at times, which is no bad thing. the problem I have with him is he seems to be a bit shaky under pressure. I thought “if he can’t handle Southampton-sized pressure, what chance does he have at Rangers?”
    Celtic-sized pressure is roughly equal to Rangers-sized, so the same applies. I think he’ll do well for them (and therefore bad for us) until they lose a couple of games, then we’ll see how he copes.
50. H 05.25.05 / 2pm

    Perhaps someone should remind The Truth of the ‘classy’ T-Shirts sported by his team when they won their first title under O’Neill - No Excuses.

    Also, I may have got my sums wrong but didn’t Celtic win 4 titles under Billy McNeill (in 2 separate spells)? Therefore O’Neill is only the 2nd best Celtic manager since Stein.

    That aside, good luck to Martin O’Neill and his wife. I may share many of Fat Eck’s opinions on the man professionally but on a personal level I wish him all the best for the future.
51. Derek 05.25.05 / 3pm

    I would also like to wish Geraldine O’Neill a speedy recovery. Charles, like you, I don’t think that there’s much more to be said on the subject, and I’m sure that it’s something that both sides of the old firm can unite on.
52. teddy is waving goodbye 05.25.05 / 5pm

    Well said Boaby…ya fucking wooden top…now back in yer box.
    God Bless big Marvy Marv, he’s a Tim at heart.
    And God Bless Geraldine O’Neill.
53. stu3 05.25.05 / 9pm

    God bless Big Marv. He has every right to share his beliefs as you have your superstitions, Stuart.
    I do agree with you that he is out on a wing with his thoughts on God ensuring Rangers the title, but no worse than blue thread on the radio! I think he shows his Christianity in his prayers for Geraldine O’Neill - sectarians don’t tend to make such statements across the divide.
    Well done the gers - a great steal
    And best wishes to the O’Neills
54. Pleased onlooker II 05.26.05 / 1am

    lol - good on you K.O.T.Apes - you sussed the PSYCHOlogical profile of those rangers supporters to a T - I’m still laughing at how livid their vapid responses were that you “predicted” - lol - they’ll never be happy for genetic reasons - lol - I got to hand it you that’s a classic - HAIL HAIL
55. Boaby 05.26.05 / 9am

    Every right to share his beliefs? God made Celtic lose the league? Whit next, God is a Rangers fan? God thinks Celtic and there fans are inferior heathens?
    Save it for church/chapel ya muppets. If the God that big Marvin is supposed to believe in exists, do you think he’d really be picking Rangers over Celtic in a Scottish fitba’ season? If so, why? Because Rangers are better Christians? Smellick urnae worthy? Load of pish. Why would He/She/It give a badger’s tadger who won? Unless, of course, the manky mob really are inferior heathens. ;-) But that wouldn’t explain last season…..
    “God” spare us fae bible-thumpin’ fitba’ fans.
56. Gogs 05.26.05 / 10am

    I see King of the schizophrenics is back, calling him/herself Pleased onlooker II.

    Kingy, here’s a little bit of info for you. NOTHING you can say can upset us even a little bit! Why? ‘Cos we’re CHAMPIONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
57. Derek 05.26.05 / 12pm

    Boaby, I believe that it is a little simplistic to say that Marvin was meaning that God picked Rangers over Celtic. I don’t believe that it was what he was implying.

    I’m not disagreeing with you on the principle that religion should be kept out of football, although I can’t help not minding when it’s big Marv, as he is always so cheerful and appears so genuine when he does it, despite the fact that I don’t agree with many of his views.
58. Boaby 05.26.05 / 4pm

    Derek,
    Perhaps it is a little simplistic but what do you think he meant?

    And don’t get me wrong, I like the big guy but he really should save that nonsense for where it belongs - his church.
    Marvin ‘knows’ God was responsible.
    I ‘know’ Marvin’s God doesn’t exist.
    However, I would never presume to go on television and say “I know all of you Christians are deluded.”
    Faith is a personal thing. I maintain he should STFU about religion, God and “we won because of God,” when speaking to the media.
59. Hor Hor 05.26.05 / 4pm

    Hor Hor - It’s Pleasing 2 See that the huns R STILL UnHappy - LMAO - What a surprise - Their pitifully unselfaware low IQ is still apparent alongside their inferiority complex - HAIL HAIL The Happy Chappies !!!!
60. Derek 05.26.05 / 5pm

    Boaby, I was hoping you weren’t going to ask that. Will let you know if I figure it out. :-)
61. teddy is waving bye bye 05.26.05 / 6pm

    Boaby, God says it’s time for you to go back in the suitcase.
    There is only one Ghod…and his name is Henrik Larsson…and he IS the King of Kings.
    God Bless the O’Neill family.
62. Anonymous 05.26.05 / 7pm

    Aloha ya fuds…I’m consoling myself on the beach in Hawaii, poor me…my beloved Celtic lost the league, what’s a poor Tim to do?
    Ach, I might as well have another G&T, and scan the beach for “Sigourney’s”.
    Life can be so difficult at times, I can’t wait to get back to watching the SPL, and listening to all those good old songs you are so fond of regailing us Tims with…now where was I?
    “Oh waitress…”
63. U2 05.26.05 / 7pm

    Sigh. I suppose I’d better surface.

    Gogs,

    You said “I was going to have a go at you for mentioning Andy Davis, but then I realised you and your fellow Tims must be f***ing GUTTED!” - then went on and had a wee go at me anyway.

    Sigh. Why did we defend so deep?

    You say we BLEW IT. Correct, we did. We thought we had it won after Ibrox and then let the attitude drop against Hibs. We thought we’d won it again after Tynecastle, then we struggled to get over the line, and eventually couldn’t.

    Sigh. Why did Hibs not sneak a late equaliser?

    You’re right about Scott McDonald, he’s a tim and an honest professional. Finished brilliantly.

    Sigh. Why couldn’t he have been playing for Hibs?

    But Andy Davis was 2 points, whether you like it or not, whether you want to sweep it under the carpet or not. I said back in April that he had given Rangers two points that could be a decisive two points and that Celtic may end up being the biggest victim of that whole episode and not Hearts. Rangers won the league by one point. Mathematical genious not required.

    Sigh. I can acknowledge all the contributory factors that were down to Celtic. It seems you have difficulty acknowledging that a key contributary factor was down to a shocking decision, believed in many quarters unrelated to Celtic to have been so badly wrong as to have been difficult to be a simple error.

    Sigh. I wonder what it’s like to get the benefit of big decisions on a more regular basis than everyone else?

    The record books will show Rangers won the league. Again. 51st time. I’m gutted and desperately disappointed that Martin has to leave. He was soooo close to having 5 league titles in a row. Two titles lost in the final seconds of the season. Incredible.

    We’ll miss him.
64. Boaby 05.26.05 / 8pm

    U2,
    You’re right about that five in a row thing. So close.
    I’m just happy that your best manager since big Jock couldn’t quite muster the bhoys over the line on two of those occassions.
    Or maybe it was that he was being doggedly pursued in both instances by our best manager since, well, the last one. ;-)

    As for Andy Davis, were you at the game? TV pictures were inconclusive.
    Sure, looked like nothing happened but Miller(?) has one arm obscured from view.

    And, despite big Elvis making a complete meal out of it and diving, he was fouled by Beattie(?) and technically it should have been a penalty.

    Chutes and see-saws. ;-)
65. YAHOO !!!! 05.27.05 / 4am

    Well Said JET - I’m still Laughing - LoL - It’s Amazing how sad rangers fans are - Hibs & Motherwell do them a favour & they’re Still unhappy & raging in the petty way they call “thoughts” - LoL - We’re the Happy Chappies regardless & ever since the invention of the mirror & the measuring tape they’ve ALWAYS been & ALWAYS will be genetically unhappy bitter huns driven by an inferiority complex they call “self” - LMAO - HAIL HAIL - See You on Saturday & Sunday at MO’N’s send off - Away The Mighty ‘Tic !!!!
66. Gogs 05.27.05 / 7am

    U2

    “..then went on and had a wee go at me anyway”. Didn’t actually mean it like that. I don’t like kicking a man when he’s down :o) - although I was still on a bit of a high, so perhaps you can forgive me if I was a little ‘gloaty’

    I have no problem acknowledging that Andy Davis made a bad decision (by all reports it was, but I wasn’t at the game and I haven’t seen it on TV).

    Again though, a bit of controversy over Pressley. Most Tims say he’s a cheat etc, and deserved the red card, but from what I’ve read there seems to be a fair few neutrals who thought it WAS a penalty.

    Doesn’t matter though. The decision was made that it wasn’t, and it has to be accepted. Do you genuinely feel that Andy Davis DELIBERATELY gave a penalty when he knew it wasn’t???

    As you’ve acknowledged, if you had beaten either Hibs OR Motherwell Andy Davis would have been a moot point. Remember the T-Shirts Celtic wore when they won their first title under O’Neill? ‘No Excuses’

    And as for big decisions, remember (I’m sure you and your fellow Tims will never forget) the 6-2 game. 3-1 to your lot, just coming up for half time, and Rod Wallace scored a PERFECTLY good goal, which if I remember correctly (that game isn’t so clear in my mind for some strange reason!! :o) ) was wrongly disallowed for offside. VERY pivotal moment, but *shrug* shit happens.

    I’m sure Celtic have been the beneficiaries of plenty of bad decisions, I just don’t think that they’re remembered so much because every (or almost every) Celtic fan is looking for the bad ones to reaffirm the conspiracy theories…

    And as for yer M’On, sad about the reasons, but delighted that Strachan will have the opportunity next season to lose the league WELL before the last day!!
67. Derek 05.27.05 / 9am

    Gogs, you are correct. For every Andy Davis incident there is also a Willie Young incident (stonewaller as far as I’m concerned, and also many Celtic fans as well) and a Steve Conroy performance (Dundee Utd game at Ibrox). Both teams could bring up countless incidents, but it seems that it is only the incidents that go against Celtic that count.

    Alex McLeish 7, Martin O’Neill 2, in head to head trophies to date, I believe. Is that correct?

    Eck, you never gave us the answer to your quiz from several treads ago.
68. Boaby 05.27.05 / 9am

    Yahoo,
    Sorry to pish on your multiple personality parade but I feel I should point out that your alter-ego, “JET”, to whom you’ve just ‘replied,’ has yet to post on this site. He’s over at Celtic.openfootball.
    Your stupidity knows no bounds.
69. U2 05.27.05 / 8pm

    Gogs,

    I know Celtic get the benefit of 50-50 decisions sometimes and sometimes they go against them. Sometimes even 60-40 decisions go the wrong way, for and against, but that isn’t what gets on my diddies.

    Comparing 50-50 penalty decisions or 50-50 offside decisions with an intervention from a linesman, after the referee had already given the correct decision, when clearly NOTHING happened, after how-many-times from how-many-angles - nothing happened that warranted a decision or even a debate, is a very weak defence. They are not in the same league.

    This guy flagged for something nobody else seen (except Alex McLeish after “watching it 100 times” - my arse).

    What gets on my diddies is that nobody in authority has acknowledged it was wrong. In fact, they’ve rewarded him with the Cup Final. That really gets on my diddies.

    Remember when you go for the “paranoid” key on your blue and white keyboard - it was Hearts who kicked up a stink. The bigger mistake was made by the SFA when they appointed him.

    Footnote:- Bellamy was clean through against Motherwell on the right flank in front of the linesman and was pulled down as blistered away at pace. Linesman, 5 yards away, flags for a free kick. Sure fire yellow, probable red card. The referee - same one as at Tynecastle - ignores the flag and waves play on. That decision had NO BEARING on the Motherwell result, but an astonishing piece of inconsistency from Mr Dallas. Try telling me Dallas doesn’t think Davis made him look like a tit that day. He’ll never admit it. He should. No harm in acknowledging gaffs, same as they do in England.

    Pleeeaaassssee Mr Davis, don’t make an arse of it again. You’ll get the first Old Firm game next season if you do!
70. Derek 05.28.05 / 9am

    U2, the Willie Young penalty incident is 50-50 penalty incident, but the Andy Davis one isn’t? Only in the mind of a Celtic fan. We all know why Willie Young didn’t give the decision against Celtic. It was because of the constant intimidation of officials by Celtic fans. Coins thrown at them, with the SFA taking virtually no action. Their houses attacked, their families threatened, death threats, their personal details published on Celtic fans websites. Willie Young knew all of that would have been coming to him and who can blame him for taking the easy option and chickening out from a decision he knew was correct.

    “It was Hearts who kicked up a stink.” - correct me if I am wrong, but so did Celtic. Celtic complained about Davis, made the complaint public and O’Neill has made numerous digs about the Davis decision. Just part of this campaign of intimidation of match officials.

    So what do you want Dallas to do? Ignore his linesmen or follow what they say? You complain when he does both.

    Oh, and on the Davis incident, I can see contact so it’s in there with the rest of your 50-50s.

    Good luck to the match officials at the cup final. Hopefully they are all set for having to move house and get their phone numbers changed if they dare to make a contentious decision against Celtic.
71. U2 05.28.05 / 11am

    Derek,

    “Only in the mind of a Celtic fan”

    Hearts players, Hearts fans, Hearts officials, Rangers fans, all of the media and just about evry football fan who has seen it. Just because you’re having the discussion with a Celtic fan doesn’t make it Celtic-only, as you suggest.

    ” “It was Hearts who kicked up a stink.” - correct me if I am wrong, but so did Celtic.”

    Let me correct you. Only Hearts kicked up a stink about what happened at Tynecastle - the biggest stink in the recent history of Scottish Football no-less. It was full-on in the media for a month. Celtic raised a concern about the guy at the centre of that controversy being appointed to the Cup Final - that was a couple of months later. The numerous digs, as you put it, that Martin made were in reference to the fact the debate had shifted very conveniently from a Rangers get the benefit of dodgy decisions too often to the Old Firm get the benefit of dodgy decisions too often. Fair comment from Martin, because that’s exactly what happened.

    “So what do you want Dallas to do? Ignore his linesmen or follow what they say? You complain when he does both.”

    I’d like him to be consistent. I was pointing out that Dallas had been affected by it all despite what he may have being saying publicly. He was made to look like a tit by supporting one linesman. He knew he’d be looking at a red card if he supported another linesman. Against one of the Old Firm, too.

    “We all know why Willie Young didn’t give the decision against Celtic.”

    Are you suggesting our referees deliberately take wrong decisions and don’t call it as they see it? Are you a Hearts official? Are you a Celtic fan? Are you paranoid? Or are you just a complete tosser? The hypocritical nature of your posts on here is shining through.

    For the record, and I hope most of my posts on here refelct this, I do try and see it from the other point of view, I don’t think Pressley’s was a penalty but I also think he was unlucky to be sent off. There was contact. Contact doesn’t mean it’s a penalty. It means two growm men have came into contact. A foul is more than just contact. For a player to be booked there needs to be fresh air and a clear dive. I don’t think there was a clear dive.

    I still think the Davis incident was a joke. Nobody seen it in the ground, none of the commentators, radio or TV seen it. Nobody (except you and Alex McLeish) seen it on the various slowed down replays. And it took him 100 times. How many did it take you?

    To call a foul and stop the game you have to be sure, otherwise play on. To overule Hugh Dallas after he has given another decision, you have to be very sure. To give a penalty by overuling Hugh Dallas when it’s 1-1 and in injury time, you’d think reasonable doubt, if there were any, would prevail.

    Andy Davis must have been so sure as to have had no doubt in that situation. I say it one more time, there was no penalty to be seen from any angle, at any speed after having watached it a dozen times. 99% of the footballing population agrees. You and McLeish disagree.

    If Andy Davis had no doubt he made an incompetent decision. The only other explanation is what Hearts were puting forward.

    Either way, he should not have got the Cup Final. Most of your reasonable Bear mates on here agree with that.

    He is now under enormous pressure. If he makes another mistake that goes against Celtic, it will confirm most of Scottish football’s suspicions. Probably incorrectly. If he makes a mistake that goes against Dundee Utd, it’s be because he’s scared of….”houses attacked, families threatened, death threats” - copyright Derek The Tosser - in those circumstances, why was he appointed???????

    IDIOTS IN CHARGE OF THE ASYLUM.

    I hope not to talk about him or the SFA on this subject again.
72. Derek 05.28.05 / 2pm

    U2, Hearts players, Hearts fans, Hearts officials, Celtic fans, and just about every neutral football fan who has seen the Willie Young incident said it was a penalty. The TV pictures are a lot more conclusive as to whether the ref made the right decision on that one than the Davis one, but it is Davis that is hounded by the media and others.

    Yes, I believe that Willie Young deliberately made the wrong decision on that one occasion. Not because he favoured Celtic, or wanted to do something against Rangers or Hearts, but because of the intimidation by Celtic fans. Do you deny that this intimidation hasn’t taken place? I’m sure Willie Young didn’t do it for himself but when scum start bring the families of refs into it then of course he is going to consider it.

    So it’s OK for O’Neill to keep bringing up the Davis incident? I guess that’s all we will get for the next 3 years after any decision that favours Celtic. It’s OK because of the Andy Davis incident, and Celtic fans will use it to prove that they never get anything.

    Yes, there’s an argument that Dallas could have sent off the Motherwell player, but there is also one to say that Alan Thompson should have been sent off, or did I hear about that incorrectly becasue Dallas couldn’t possibly make a decision that favoured Celtic?

    It’s you, as a Celtic fan, who continually brings up an incident in a non-Celtic game, but when I respond with an opposite example, I’m a tosser? Hmm.

    Just because the TV pictures of the Davis incident are inconclusive doesn’t mean it wasn’t a penalty. Of course you think it was a joke. I also try and look at incidents from both sides. Just because I disagree with you doesn’t mean that I don’t believe what I am arguing. I’m sure we both firmly believe what we are saying, however it’s interesting to note you don’t believe there is any doubt about one incident but there is doubt about the other. And, yes, people did see the incident in the ground. I’ve spoke to people and read many others who saw it clearly and said they believed it was a penalty.

    “there was no penalty to be seen from any angle” - when did you see it from the angle that Davis saw it?

    What do most of my reasonable bear mates think about the appointment of Mooney as linesman? What do you think about it? Should he not have been picked as well? Is it because his error wasn’t plastered across the media that it doesn’t matter, or is it just because there wasn’t any impact on Celtic that it can be ignored? Where do you draw the line?

    “I hope not to talk about him or the SFA on this subject again.” - so do we, but it’s you who keeps on bringing it up. :-)
73. Gogs 05.28.05 / 4pm

    Posting this with about 5 minutes gone in the second half of the cup final. 1-0 Celtic, loads of chances for them, no second goal… could it be deja vu all over again? :o)

    Derek

    Sorry, meant to say earlier. Thanks for the info about isohunt. Managed to get the highlights, and thoroughly enjoyed them :o))

    U2

    Cards on the table. Yes or no answers please. Do you believe Andy Davis is biased against Celtic?

    And do you believe that any other match officals have shown bias against Celtic and/or for Rangers?
74. JET 05.28.05 / 8pm

    Boaby, does your mammy know your out?
    Once again you’re wrong son.
    But, as it’s all anonymous, we’ll never get to the bottom of this mystery.
    Stop clogging up the website with your inane drivel.
    If they gave out a medal for conclusion jumping, you’d get a GOLD.
75. Boaby 05.28.05 / 8pm

    JET,
    Until your last post, nobody had posted in this thread under the name, “JET”.
    Of course I know that you’ve posted already in this thread under another name and anonynously becuase your pathetic attempts to pretend you are somewone else are so obvious.
    And of course YAHOO knows this too because you are one and the same.
    What a sad individual you are.
76. JET 05.29.05 / 4am

    Boaby, Hang on, I’m one and the same…how the fuck do you make that out, you delusional muppet?
    And they call us Tims paranoid.
    Fuck, why do we bother, get on with talking fitba’ ya fanny.
    And Yahoo, keep up the good work son, apparently Boaby’s having a shit fit cosd he thinks you are me, and I am you…funny people these HUNS.
    Your ‘Brother’ in TimDom.
    JET.
77. U2 05.29.05 / 12pm

    Gogs,

    I don’t know. My complaint is about the SFA, not Davis himself.
78. vanderhogg 05.30.05 / 9am

    U2,

    Talk about cop-out. You either believe Davis is biased and should not be employed by the SFA, or you don’t. Which is it?

    Personally speaking I think officials are honest. Honest mistakes happen - like Willie Young; like Andy Davis.

    In fact, also like Andy Davis who (at 1-1 at Tynecastle) flagged Prso offside twice when he was well onside and through on goal.

    But hey, doesn’t fit the argument!

    And as not posted here for some time:

    CHAMPIONS: EASY EASY EASY EASY EASY EASY

    VDH xx
79. Anonymous 05.30.05 / 11am
    
    
80. Timahoy 05.30.05 / 4pm

    Vanderhogg,
    Why is there only two choices, couldn’t Mr Davis just be incompetant?
81. Derek 05.30.05 / 5pm

    “O’Neill’s own eyeballing of Davis and later his apparent refusal to shake the official’s hand reflected poorly on him on a day when he didn’t need to do it.”

    Bitter to the last. I, for one, won’t miss him.

    McLeish 7, O’Neill 3.
82. Derek 05.30.05 / 5pm

    U2, you’ve chosen not to answer my last reply, and I don’t blame you, as it was turning into a “he said/she said” contest, and neither of us would make the other change their minds.

    However there is one point I raised that I would like your opinion on. I can fully understand your view, and have some sympathy for (believe it or not), that the SFA should not have appointed Davis. However the other linesman was involved in a controversial incident earlier this season involving Dundee Utd. Do you think that he should also have not been picked for the game? I can’t rememmber the incident too well, but it is my impression that it would have been headline news had it involved either of the old firm, but because it didn’t, it is largely forgotten about.

    This is where I have the problem. Let’s face it, if Davis had made the decision in a game involving, say, Livvie and Dundee, and had an impact on the relegation race, it would have hardly had a mention anywhere.

    Do we only not pick an official because he was involved in a front page incident, and therefore can only be a match involving the old firm? Or should the SFA look at any incident involving officials before deciding?

    It isn’t a points scoring question. I’m genuinely interested in your view, as I don’t see where you end up drawing the line if you start eliminating officials from games because of headlines.

    Timahoy, incompetent? How many match officials aren’t incompetent?
83. U2 05.30.05 / 7pm

    Derek,

    Like I said in one of my earlier posts, officials make 50-50 mistakes in every game, some worse than others. Some go for you some go against you. Offside decisions, penalty decisions, yellow or red card decisions - they are always difficult to call and will always have a chance of being wrong. Swings and see-saws.

    I’m sure Davis, Mooney and Rowbothom all made mistakes during the season. As will every official. If I recall correctly, the Mooney error was against Mark Wilson (excellent player - hope Strachan knows this) when he called a hand ball and he was sent off as a result as the last man. He headered it, but you could see why it looked like a handball as his hand was up and it just skiffed (is that a word?) his head. TV showed it was a wrong call, but video evidence or appeal is not permitted in Scotland unless it’s violent conduct. SFA again??

    The incident at Tynecastle resulted in one club formally demanding an enquiry into the integrity of the decision. It had one club threatening legal action. It had one club refused access to minutes of a similar situation involving another club that succesfully contested a referee’s decision and had the referee banned as a result. It was the biggest single controversy of not only this season, but for many seasons.

    All incidents quoted on this thread in some kind of tit-for-tat to balance it up were all called by the referee or the linesman. None were to overule the referee’s decision. Only Willie Young’s was in injury time, and if, as you contest, Willie refused to give a penalty to avoid getting the galzier in at the weekend, why did he feel the need to red card Pressley? He didn’t need to do that.

    If Davis had made the decision in a Livi v Dundee game AND one of the clubs formally requested an enquiry into the integrity of the decision, it WOULD have been all over the media. No doubt.

    I think if TV showed that Dallas had missed something in injury time that warranted the intervention of the linesman and the award of points clinching penalty, then fair enough. It didn’t. I think the SFA should have taken Mr Davis out of the limelight rather than thrust him back into just as everyone else was moving on.

    VDH,

    Please read all my posts. You’ve jumped to a conclusion with me and missed the whole point of my concern.

    I don’t know if Davis is biased. Neither do you. No cop out. I do know he overuled Hugh Dallas in injury time and got it wrong.

    If you had asked me the same question about Jim Farry my answer would have been the same - I don’t know. Fergus knew, and took him to court to demonstrate to all of us that he was right.

    If you are asking me to accept that the only profession in Scotland that doesn’t have people employed who are, how shall we say, tainted from what should be a bygone era, then I don’t think I can accept that. Proving someone is biased is almost impossible, but I have no doubt some of the lower ranking gents have it in them - I don’t think our senior refs are biased - too much to lose and too big an ego by the time they reach that stage.

    Hearts clearly thought that particular decision to be of such questionable proportions as to formally question it. I haven’t heard one acknowledgement from the people who run our game that it was an error. It would be nice if we could learn from our English counterparts in this, and one or two other areas of communication.
84. Derek 05.31.05 / 9am

    U2, I still don’t see where you draw the line. Without wanting to go back to the Willie Young situation, but just using it as an example, it could have become as equally a contraversial incident if Hearts and Rangers had reacted different, by your definition. The fact that they didn’t doesn’t change the nature of the incident, or should mean that it should change the way that the SFA pick match oficials.

    However it’s one we are never going to see eye to eye on.
85. vanderhogg 05.31.05 / 10am

    Timahoy,
    Quite clearly I think he is incompetant…….. I think that’s a given!

    U2,
    My point exactly about senior refs/officials - I think they are straight down the line, because they must be.

    Hearts though is interesting, wonder why they didn’t bother questioning the “integrity” of Willie Young’s decision?

    VDH xx
86. Gogs 05.31.05 / 12pm

    Right, so we’re all agreed then. Andy Davis had nothing to do with us winning the league!!!
87. vanderhogg 05.31.05 / 1pm

    Yup.

    But Willie Young is a cheating forker

    :-)

    VDH xx
88. U2 05.31.05 / 1pm

    My keyboard is English but you lot seem to be reading Arabic!!!

    Derek, as you’ve already said you have sympathy for my viewpoint that they shouldn’t have appointed Davis for the Cup Final, please clarify YOUR reasons for that statement. Maybe you can articulate it better than I’ve managed to do.

    VDH,

    “My point exactly about senior refs/officials - I think they are straight down the line, because they must be.”

    How you’ve concluded that from my post beats me, mate.

    But what if one isn’t?
    But what if Jim Farry wasn’t?
    Are you suggesting that there isn’t the possibility?

    There are black and whites and there are shades of grey. In all areas of life there is a braod spectrum. Some things occur around the norm, some things further out at the edge of the spectrum. There are so many things that pushed that decision out to the edge of the spectrum. It was too far out on too many counts to have been ignored when selecting the officials for the cup final. Maybe in this open world we live in now we should have the right to see how the SFA score their officials, to see the league table if you like, and to see the selection criteria for the glamour games. Maybe it will take a linesman called O’Malley to give a howler for Celtic before things will change.

    The police and judges are straight down the line because they have to be. Well, apart from the ones that aren’t.
89. Derek 05.31.05 / 3pm

    U2, I have some sympathy from the point of view that Davis was headline news and this could be putting undue pressure on him, but as I’ve said below, this approach would end up only precluding officals who have controversial incidents at OF matches.

    Revisiting your last post, I just didn’t see which or how many of the various points you raised had to be in place before you overlooked an official, but given that we are on a totally different wavelength, let’s drop it.
90. The Gene Genie 05.31.05 / 5pm

    Fuck, Game’s over, League’s over, Ref’s an arse, we’ll never see eye to eye, drop it is right!
    So, just to go off topic for a wee bit here, what’s your ideas on who’s going and who’s coming in…maybe.
    We might as well get some rumours started, just like the papers, so any thoughts on this?
91. Lone Star Ranger 06.01.05 / 1pm

    Is it true that the sellick players had another one of those tasteful t-shirts ready for the final whistle last week that said ‘By Eck, we’ve done it
    again.’ ???????

    Are they on e-bay yet? 8-)
92. Fat Eck - your recuperatED 06.01.05 / 6pm

    SLIGHT TECHNICAL HITCH TODAY TROOPS - HERE’S WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN OUR NEXT STARTER FOR TEN (what the hell - might as well get the posts on this thread up to the century Mark!):

    THE CLOWN IS DEAD - LONG LIVE THE CLOWN:

    All that worry. All those doubts. All those months of frustration. It’s all over - and it was all so worth it.

    We’re waiting for another game. Something tells us there should be another weekend of SPL action still to come, that we should face yet another 90 minutes of watching Rangers, KNOWING we are The Champions. But no.

    All the alcohol in the world, consumed between Sunday 22nd May and Monday 30th May 2005, didn’t convince me that there were no more points to be played for - even seeing The track-suited Rangers cavorting on the Ibrox pitch before me nine nights ago, parading the SPL trophy and lustily breathing the same heady Govan air as myself failed to hammer the point home. But the passing of another Saturday and Sunday without The Teddy Bears kicking a ball finally made it all seem real. We are the champions of Scotland.

    Alex McLeish is the top manger in the Scottish game and, now that it’s the 1st of June, Martin O’Kneel is finally away back hame, a loser (in football terms, obviously!) Gordon Strachan is the new manager of our number one opponents … and, by the time he’s finished (December 2005, in a strait jacket), the team he REALLY suppoted as a boy, Hibs, will be our number one opponents.

    If what’s just left was the fiercest opposition we’ve faced since Jock Stein then I think we kicked its ass - a blip on the history books was the best it could manage and The Rangers have shown that, even in times of prescribed adversity, we still come away as champions!

    Martin O’Kneel leaves Scottish Football with three league titles, three Scottish cups, a league cup and a losing European final to his name: It’s a reputable collection. But it’s less - FAR less when you take in two European trophies WON - than Sir Alex Ferguson notched up at Aberdeen with a tenth of O’Neill’s resources. In his three full seasons of head-to-head with O’Neil, McLeish has won two SPL titles to O’Neill’s one.

    Basically, a former charge of a rejected Rangers striker has been enough to show Rangers will suffer no post-Stein dynasties from the green half of this city: If Martin O’Neill is the greatest Celtic manager since Stein - and he absolutely is - then it says more about the parlousness of modern day Celtic FC than it does about The Mighty Gers.

    O’Neill was a terrible TV pundit but a fantastic manager - Gordon Strachan is the reverse.

    That which has just left was the best they had to offer in terms of overhauling The Gers overall supremacy of the last twenty years - and we beat it.

    Yes, troops - Rangers@openFootball is back. Thanks to all those who kept it ticking over on the threads during my Stella Artois-infused sabbatical. This is just the briefest of rants to get us back on track - over the next few days and weeks we can really get down to re-capping on what was a glorious end to the season - and what turned out to be a season with a glorious end. Since the last weekend of last July - maybe even since May 2003 - we’ve earned our forthcoming weeks of sitting in front of this website saying things like “Yes, that’s a good point you make, 1967Bhoy, but, if you’ll look at it from my POV, you’ll find that Rangers are, well, CHAMPIONS!”.

    There’s no more arguments. June will be a month of facts … and fun.

    Fact Eck
93. Pope benedict XVI 06.01.05 / 10pm

    Poor misguided Orange men and women,

    I know that one day I will leave this world and join all the angels and saints in God’s Kingdom.Well I don’t expect to meet up with too many of you so I thought I would take this opportunity to thank you in advance for singing my name on a weekly basis and sometimes abroad ( well for one mid-week euro fixture). From the bottom of my heart I thank you for inadvertantly driving countless millions of lapsed catholics back into the arms of the church when they come across you and your moronic, masonic anti-catholic, anti-irish anti-socialist, anti-black, anti- anti goodness, anti-everything decent and fairpro nazi, pro BNP, pro kilroy, pro rainy days, pro odd socks,pro- destruction, pro-neds, pro-fat and ugly, pro-bad breath, pro-nuclear holocost, pro-pane, and pro-pain, pro-tester

    Keep up the good work and well done on winning the league
94. Boaby 06.02.05 / 9am

    Thanks for dropping in Benny. Can’t say I’ve ever heard anyone singing your name but, at your age, a little confusion and befuddlement is understandible. :-)
95. Lone Star Ranger 06.02.05 / 1pm

    Hey Benedict,

    Who the f… is pro- Kilroy?

    That’s below the belt and has no place on A Rangers website ya bassa…

    8-)

    God Bless the Rangers
96. Derek 06.02.05 / 1pm

    LSR, LOL!
97. Hawaiian Bhoy 06.02.05 / 11pm

    Aloha ya fuds.
    No doubt you’ll be giving it large about the Champions League just before the first game.
    Do you think you’ve got the makings of a decent club for the CL?
    How do you think your current (Bun) squad would stack up against the Lisbon Lions?
    Probably be a close game.
    Mind you, some of the Lions are well into their 60’s now.
    Roll on the upcoming season.
    HAIL HAIL and God Bless all the Tims.
98. Pope Benedict XVI 06.02.05 / 11pm

    Lone Star Ranger

    I take your point about the Pro-Kilroy comment,I got a bit carried away. I would like to retract said comment and and not only do you have my most sincere apologies I can assure you that a thousand nuns will pray for a thousand huns as a sign of my attonement.

    PS what does BASSA mean?
99. Derek 06.03.05 / 9am

    PD16, what does hun mean?
100. Boaby 06.03.05 / 11am

     @Hawaiian Bhoy:

     Decent team for the CL? Do me a favour. Rangers are pish.
     Without major improvements, we’ll be lucky to reach the group stage.
     Unfortunately for you, Celtic are even worse.
     Both teams need surgery.
101. Lone Star Ranger 06.03.05 / 1pm

     “PS what does BASSA mean?”

     …ask yer mammy…!
102. Shitfurbrains 06.06.05 / 1pm

     Derek,

     What does PD16 mean? I’ve heard of a P45, P60 even a P11D but a PD16? Can you make a claim with the social with it???
103. Fat Eck - your TechnophobED 06.10.05 / 7am

     Troops - apologies.

     Obviously there’s a top level Papal conspiracy at work here (that’s the way it works,Bhoys - right? - anytime you fu** up it’s due to a conspiracy - right?), similair to teh Masonic one which destroyed all the film of the second half of Celtic’s infamous 7-1 League Cup final win.

     The Bears have an amazing League win to write about and the Site suddenly wont let me post any new articles. Mmmm. VERY Sus.

     Anyway, we have our team of top boffins working on it as we (don’t) speak. A suitably controversial headline will appear on NewsNow to let you know we’re back up and running.

     Thanks for your patience and, meanwhile, I can recommend a great couple of sites to keep you occupied:
     WWW.Donekysandcheerleaders.com and she-menoftheorangeorderwrestling.co.uk.

     They work for me.

     See yese soon

     Fat Eck
104. Jack 10.30.07 / 4pm

     Jack

     I\’m not sure I agree with you.

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