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1. ruglen rebel 11.21.06 / 11pm

   come out from behind the couch the games aboggie the celts have done it in record time, winston churchill,clemont attley,lady diana,maggie thatcher your boys took a hellova beating, enjoy the high life in france try not to think how far ahead we are
2. factus8 11.22.06 / 1am

   ruglen - hilarious stuff mate. wish i could find the complete diatribe of the norwegian mentalist.

   but actually that doesn’t matter at the moment cos now I’d like to invite all of this forum, and all of scotia,to congratulate the bhoys on surpassing last seaasons magnificent triumph by the bears in reaching the last 16 of the champions league (only this tme doing it in 5 games :-)))))))

   come on now - lets hear it for the Hoops :-))))
3. Sacre Bleu 11.22.06 / 1am

   Surely not surpassing the establishment clubs’ outstanding achievment in qualifying from “The group of death” last season? Sacre Bleu !je ne comprez pas?
4. BigRab 11.22.06 / 2am

   What are you blethering about?
5. Doug 11.22.06 / 9am

   Erm, this is a Rangers site.
   Though you’d be hard-pressed to notice at times.
6. Derek 11.22.06 / 10am

   “Please, please, please tell us how good we are.”

   Rather pathetic. What is it with celtic and their need to be loved?

   “establishment club” - that would be the club that most of the Scottish parliament, and all of GCC support, I assume? The club that the establishment are desperately trying to help under the guise of some sort of Commonwealth games bid that everyone knows that we are not going to win, but we will spend taxpayers’ and ratepayers’ cash any way and perhaps the sheep that voted us in will not notice?

   F8, I thought we had agreed you would p*** off? No offence meant, mate. :-)
7. Thistledhub 11.22.06 / 10am

   Factus8, you are the epitomy of the moronic Scottish football fan. “Only took us 5 games”, “we did it first”. Both are stupid arguements. The important thing is that with a side going to the knockout stages, it means that the coefficient for Scottish football is enhanced each time a Scottish side makes it through.

   Doug is correct. This is a Rangers site and the post is about Auxerre, go to the BBC Old Firm site and gloat if that is your wish.

   Here is hoping for a good result on Thursday.
8. Derek 11.22.06 / 11am

   Thistledhub, I don’t go for this coefficient stuff. That is relatively unimportant to me. I’m more concerned by the fact that Celtic’s ***** result (add your own adjective, Celtic fans) means more cash for them, allowing them to buy better players and move further ahead of us on the playing side.

   The coefficient also has a downside as it could also guarantee them CL football for next season and improving their finances and therefore their team even more.

   Last night was a bad result for Rangers.
9. BlueWes 11.22.06 / 1pm

   Have to say Derek, your argument is rather flawed. By the same token that a good Scottish co-efficient gives Celtic guaranteed access to CL football (which we ourselves have enjoyed from time to time - now they get it from tim to tim, boom boom), it also gives us access to CL football if we finish second which is looking bloody likely. So you would rather play UEFA football for another season and watch Celtic qualify easily as a seeded team in Round 3 of CL Qualifiers than watch Rangers qualify easily to a tournament which Smellick are also in?? Seem a bit narrow-minded if you ask me. Nobody’s gonna help or cheer the tims but if we can soften the blow slightly by helping ourselves at the same time then so be it. If it was down to me I’d rather be in CL EVERY season regardless of what the paranoid ones do.
10. Fat Eck 11.22.06 / 1pm

    Derek - totally agree. Fuck them. It was a magnificent result - bowler hat’s off to them - but just as I wanted Hearts to do well in Europe this year coz it would get them out the way domestically, it would be totally hypocritical of me to pretend I was anything other than gutted to see Sellik go through last night. There’s financial reasons and there’s just plain annoying reasons - I’m feeling them all. It puts the pressure on PLG too. Unfortunatley, whatever they do has a resonance for our knee-jerkers, even excepting the direct effects of their financial gain.

    And, as you touch on, why do they need us to HATE them one moment and then demand we love them the next? It’s because they will switch to whichever tact is necessary for them to instantly translate any well-earned footballing joy into colour-by-numbers persecution hysteria. They’d rather be angry than happy. Fucking Weans.

    (oops - I meant, “they are a bunch of fucking weans …”. Really should remember to qualify that statement when talking about Celtic FC)

    In future years I’ll be able to talk of Celtic’s great results against English teams if I’m ever arguing tehmerits of teh Scottish league but, for now,I’m sick of it and, as always, I want to live in a world where celtic FC do not exist. That way we coudl just be all about teh football.

    Wonder if there’ll be any hysteria about the fact it wisnae a free-kick when Nakamura scored?? Or maybe it woudl just be too common-sensical for them to accept that that the Juve penalty in Turin evens it out.Paranoia doesnae listen to reason.
11. Stuart 11.22.06 / 1pm

    BlueWes - I know what you’re saying, but I think the odds are longer on Rangers qualifying than on celtic failing to qualify. I’d rather see the coefficient go down to put celtic in that position, rather than see them straight through to the group stages and watch Rangers try (& almost certainly fail) to join them.
12. hammertime 11.22.06 / 1pm

    Fiar play to the smellies getting through but a bit of perspective here - they are not a great team and only marginaly better than we were when we reached the last 16 last season. Man U looked like they were playing a traiing game last night and were it not for Gigs wearing his boots on the wrong feet and Saha only going through the montions during the game Celtic could have been facing the possibility of finishing bottom of the group. Does anyone really think they have what it takes to progress further? I was sick at the result as a defeat with the team WGS played would have attracted a heap of pressure on him and it would have been nice to see the media pick a different target for a change.
13. Derek 11.22.06 / 1pm

    BlueWes, I’m not saying it is irrelevant, but the way things are set up at the moment, they are going to get a lot more benefit from the increase in coefficient than we are. Stuart and I are on the same wavelength.

    I think that the overall effect of last night’s result is negative as far as Rangers are concerned. If I thought it would help Rangers then fine, but it didn’t. I’m narrow-minded in that I want what is best for Rangers.

    The result means more chance of Celtic winning the league next season, and therefore having a better chance of qualifying for the CL the following year and getting more cash to strengthen their team that year, and so on. It’s a cumulative effect. They took a bit of gamble in the close season, I believe, but it seems to be paying off for them, and as Eck says, it’s bloody annoying.
14. BlueWes 11.22.06 / 1pm

    Agree agree agree, just want to point out that Scotland sit (I believe) 10th in the European club standings overall - if the co-efficient goes down any further we LOSE the extra CL place altogether. At that point its not a case of odds of us qualifying against their not, its a case of us being resigned to more UEFA Cup action if we can’t stamp our authority on the domestic game. At the moment we NEED that CL spot - Rangers’ll qualify from 3rd round qualifiers 9 times out of 10, no danger there. As Derek so rightly pointed out - the CL is where the money’s at and if we are to get back to spending half decent money we need to be there - if we want to attract quality players who’ve been out of nappies more than 3 years, we need to be there. And seeing as PLG showed he clearly knows his way around European football, to get CL football with him should be one helluva journey!! But in the meantime just to keep in the sprit of things… yeah, fuck ‘em!
15. Boaby 11.22.06 / 10pm

    Have to say I was supporting Celtic last night.

    I always support Scottish teams in Europe.

    Yes, even them. :-)
16. factus8 11.23.06 / 12am

    thistlehub…..if you knew me, you’d know I was no moron.

    anyway, what’s the matter with you, can you not take a wee dig ?? awfully sensitive you bears at the mo’.

    but enough of your current insecurities and on to business. you quote the ubiquitous line that any winning result is a good result as it boosts the coefficient for the country….and of course I am too parochial and insular to see that bigger picture !!

    So talk me through it then - if a scottish team wins, how much of a boost does it give the coefficient of the country and therefore the coefficient of the other teams that regularly represent that country in europe ?

    BTW - I do know the answer to this one and guess what - It means I won’t feel too guilty about not cheering on Ra Peepulll tomorrow night, even if it does mean my team miss out on a fraction of a point rise !!

    I await your spin on the coefficients calculation.

    cheers, f8
17. Jim McAra 11.23.06 / 12am

    Hiya maties
    Thought I’d drop by and see how me old twisted types are doing these days. Glad to see that the Scottish UEFA co-efficient is taking an apathy pass coz of the smellies. Remeber no penalties or MIBS in Europe. Best time for a while for the timmites ho ho ho and an bottle of Irish tosh to the lot of you. May you all dwindle into your Nurray Romanov pacts w/the devil and dissolve into your Airdrie like concil hoose holes.
    Best Regards
    See ya oot o the midden in 5 years if yer lucky
18. Derek 11.23.06 / 1am

    Boaby, I genuinely fail to understand why you would want our biggest rivals to earn more money, and therefore put themselves in a better position.

    McAra, sorry, don’t understand what you are on about. Can you not speak the Queen’s English?
19. BigRab 11.23.06 / 2am

    Jim you Mc Ara idiot, why for no you inglish speak ya twat! Lay off the bevvy!
20. lospalmas7 11.23.06 / 8am

    Do you think wee timmy boys are trained at timmy schools to try and advertise when they have “achieved” the slightest wee thing?
    “Look miss, I shat my trousers a good 3 minutes before wee Billy at the non denominational school. If I tell the priest will he tell Glasgow Council?”
    Should we phone the radio phone ins?
    Should we invite the Daily rhecord round, safe in the knowledge that we know they will print any old (ahem) shite?
    The hooped horrors are fine old entertainment, and the fact they need to come onto a bears site means they are still a wee bit obsessed.(understatment)
    It really does take the biscuit when hordes of the cloven hoofed squinty pishers, take the time to phone up any Radio station that will indulge them (which is all of them in Scotland of course) to proclaim that they are superhuman as they got to the last 16 second BUT they did it in 5 games.
    fcking whit!!??
    It really is both sad that people like that have access to phones, and yet entertaining that their hate for Rangers is so ingrained, so taught into them, that even in their moment of victory, there first thought is to try and get one up on Rangers….
    Now boys, lets all squeeze those Billy boy cheeks and see if we can shite our trousers quicker than wee Brendan at Our Lady of the Sacred Heart of the cloak of Lourdes primary in Coatbrig!
    All together now…. ;-)
21. Derek 11.23.06 / 9am

    LP7, we are way behind Sean the pitch invader when it comes to shitting our trousers.
22. Thistledhub 11.23.06 / 11am

    F8, obviously with your vocabulary so voluminous, I will concede the fact that you are not a moron, however, your penchant for playground style points scoring “we did it in 5 games” is of a moronic nature.

    Regarding the coefficient, yes I am aware of how it is calculated, but I have to refer to the UEFA website for the details. I always support Scottish teams in Europe against anyone else (yes even your lot!). I know this is unusual and I know there are a lot of people will disagree, but that is how I am. It is the same with Internationals. Scotland first, then the rest of the UK sides.

    Perhaps I have been living away from Scotland too long and the ingrained nastiness of Old Firm rivalry has worn off a bit. That doesn’t stop me from hoping that you get gubbed in any domestic matches though
23. lospalmas7 11.23.06 / 12pm

    Thistledhub, I have often wondered about this supporting teams that play in our league malarky (not saying Scottish teams because there is some dubiety over one in particular! ;-))
    I spoke to a slightly older bear than me, who was able to trace the seeds of this OF lack of support back to source. His experience was that most Rangers fans whilst not skipping in the street at the thought, were very much behind u know who in 1967, and wanted them to win as they were Scottish. However, in 1972, (and this is 2nd hand so forgive it being anecdotal) my friend claims that the widespread ill will towards Rangers winning in 1972 was breath taking. The ill regard towards Rangers was felt back even then. He said, that this was the defining moment for him in terms of supporting “Scottish” teams. This was (and still is as far as Im aware) his motto.
    Personally speaking, I truly dislike their team. I am not going to be a hypocrite and wish them all the best in Europe. Bottom line, if they were playing tiddleywinks in the tiddlywink final of the world tiddlywink championship, and it meant free tiddlywinks for life for 3 generations of Scottish school children, I’d still want to see then getting royally humped.
    No question…ever.
24. A Moses MacNeil Sandal 11.23.06 / 1pm

    Funny what Thistledhub is saying is true, I lived in Ireland a few years ago and found myself gloating when the tims beat Blackburn and Liverpool in Europe as I’d been getting taunted with the ‘Scottish diddy league’ stuff from the locals in the run up. (Contrary to popular mythology most Irish couldn’t give a toss about Celtic and almost all actively support an English premiership team usually Man U or Liverpool). A return to dear old Glasgow cured this passing liberal tendendancy you’ll be pleased to hear. LP7 is also correct I know a number of bluenoses who wanted the tims to win in 67 although I don’t know any who wanted them to win in Seville, ah Seville such fond memories….
25. Thistledhub 11.23.06 / 2pm

    I agree with MMS, being away from the fray does tend to make you look back with rose tinted specs. And you are spot on about the “diddy league” thing. It is always being rubbished by my English mates, so a victory by a Scottish side over an English side is always money in the bank for me, even if it was the timothys and they were outplayed, it is still a win.

    Regarding 67 LP7, both sides were in European finals, with us in the CWC a week after they won the big cup. It was feelgood Scotland and we were hoping (both sides of Glasgow) and the rest of Scotland to have Europe’s top two trophies in town. Alas, memories of my PE teacher making an arse of himself on the pitch, a goal disallowed and the great gerd muller scoring the winner made it beyond our reach. My timothy mates didnt gloat, they genuinely wanted us to win. In 1972, I am not so sure that they did. In the same vain as Rangers fans singing “We will give all we’ve got to give for the Feyenoord” after the timothys defeat in the 1970 big cup. I must admit though, I didnt really care about Seville. I didnt watch the game and I am still not sure what the score was. Not sure why, perhaps them winning a trophy again is a step too far.
26. Thistledhub 11.23.06 / 2pm

    Have you seen the news about Ricksen going to Newcastle? With Fernando’s reputation for Bevvy & Birds, Newcastle is not a great town for him to be in, it will be the death of him, the booze & totty there are just too handy. It is like asking Myra Hindley to babysit……
27. factus8 11.23.06 / 6pm

    Thistledhub - apologies first of all for my previous incorrect spelling of your moniker.

    You disappoint me though - I really did think you might have been clued up on the coefficient - but never mind !!

    Just to clear up any misconceptions you may have about me, I live in England and have done all my adult life. I also clearly remember the anti-scottish press when Rangers played (and whipped) Leeds united in the early 90’s.

    I vividly remember being quite proud (as a scot) of their achievement but I also am honest enough to say that the jealousy factor was also significant. BUt understand that I wasn’t cheering them on because my team would benefit - it was a nationalistic thing. (Anyway - improving our coefficient in those days would have been pointless as Xamax and countless other euro luminaries ably demonstrated.)

    Nowadays it’s all a bit different. The sums of money involved are huge, and infinitely more important than coefficient points earned off the back of co-national teams being successful.

    At present this cash is coming to Celtic at coincidentally the worst time in Rangers recent history (from a fiscal perspective). And, if we invest the money properly which we seem to be doing at the moment, then the gap between us will get steadily bigger and bigger unless there is a paradigm shift of sorts for either team.

    So that is the crux of the matter. I don’t not cheer you these days because I am emersed in glasgow old firm bigotry or I have lost a sense of national pride. I don’t cheer or wish your team well because I want to see as wide a chasm as possible between our two teams. I detest the term old firm. I detest the fact that Celtic are grouped with Rangers under that banner. I want my team to be free of your team in every sense.

    Everybody wants to have the bragging rights. At the moment have them but we have earned them….we are not benefitting from others. We are blazing away from you and there’s nothing on your horizon to suggest any change.

    So you bears just need to take your medicine for now - the way we did through the wilderness of the 90’s.

    And a last wee word…..M’on the Auxerre !!!!

    Moron indeed - pah !!!!
28. Kingspark Bluenose 11.23.06 / 8pm

    Well done to the tims for following in our footsteps. I never understand the tims who always keen to say they have made history. I think it maybe the fact that their old Da’s are forevere frothing at the mouth over the history they mannaged to clap their eyes on.

    Does it really matter, I want the the Scottish league to be in a position to always have a team that wins the league to go straight into the Champions league. It’s our own fault that they are so far ahed this year, but by the time we win the league I don’t want to go through qualifiers.

    It’s great news that both teams are in Europe after Xmas but we need the other diddy teams to start getting the finger oot also, Hearts were a waste and don’t get me started on Gretna, the sooner we get rid of that the looser of the Scottish cup rule the better as it is only hurting our game.

    Anyway I hope we can pick up our domestic form now that the next competitive game in Europe is next year and regardless of our generation of Celtic supporters trying to make the claim for their piece of ‘history’ regardless of when you qualified when the game comes round in Feb, we will have been their first.

    Never Mind, maybe you will qualify for the last 8!! ha ha!
29. Derek 11.24.06 / 12am

    Factus8, this is “the worst time in Rangers recent history (from a fiscal perspective)”????

    We are probably around �6m in debt. A big improvement from 2 years ago, and probably the best fiscal position we have been in for a few years.
30. Mick. 11.24.06 / 1am

    Any idea how that debt is structured Derek? Is that the sum total of short AND long-term liabilities? When Murray sells, the buyers of the club won’t owe anything to any other Murray-related businesses or umbrella companies?
31. Derek 11.24.06 / 12pm

    Mick, I guess I should have said net debt. The actual debt is higher, but it is the net debt that is usually looked upon as being the important factor.

    I’ll not bore you with the detailed break-down unless you really want me to, but there are no major balances due to Murray related companies, as far as I am aware. Only normal trading balances. At 30/6/06 the amounts owed to other Murray companies were under �100K.
32. factus8 11.24.06 / 5pm

    Derek, I was speaking generically.

    Usually you lot have been able to spend a tenner to our fiver :-)))) but not these days, regardless of whether your debt is 80m, 6m or something in between.

    Like your man Polly said today - no spree in January !!

    BTW - good result in auxerre.
33. Derek 11.24.06 / 7pm

    Factus8, I think I see what you meant.

    BTW, that fiver/tenner quote really does my head in when it’s quoted by Rangers fans these days. It’s listed as a lie that Murray told. The fact is that he did what he said and we had some wonderful years. He didn’t say he would do it forever though.

    He’s not going to do it anymore, despite what certain fans think.

    And thanks. Still can’t bring myself to return the nicety though. :-)
34. factus8 11.25.06 / 9am

    No probs Derek….I don’t take it personally (even although you have told me to fuck off before ;-)))

    I don’t come on here to be ‘loved’ as some of the other posters would believe to be the case.

    I come on here because I enjoy the banter between the two sets of fans. The posters by and large seem to be an intelligent bunch and although people most definitely are ‘rabid’ (true in my case)…humility and decency are usually to the fore.

    And if you bears couldn’t tolerate our intrusion, you’d be off to a tim-free place like FF in a shot….but somehow you don’t appear to fit their requirements.

    Anyway, it was a good result midweek but in an attempt at normality, I hope the wheels fall off your domestic bogey yet again this weekend :-)

    cheers, f8

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