From “just CHILLING!” to “heyyyyy - just chillin’… Dude.”

St Johnstone.

Okay. There you have it.

I have mentioned and will continue mention that name of that football team from THAT match THIS season until such times as PLG provides me with a result as historically fantastc as that CIS Cup quarter-final was historically horrible.

Anytime Bluenoses are tearing strips off one of our own - player, management or board room - I like to get all contrary, defensive, philosphical and stick-on-badge loyal. I like to do it coz I mean it. That’s just what I’m like. But, like the Celtic fans who claim they’re a persecuted minority one moment and the best-supported and mostest-adored team in the world the next, this would all be hollow posturing if I didnae change the tune every now and then. But it ain’t conceding one point simply to prove all others - I genuinely did lose it with PLG over that CIS Cup defeat.

The St J debacle hurt me bad. I wasn’t alone in that, I know, but the outward fashion of my particular love of Rangers - no knee-jerk reactions - and my dedication to looking at the wider historical picture - we always come back to win more leagues than anyone else - has to work both ways if it’s to be of any value. I’m saying I don’t mind losing the league this year as long as PLG improves us long-term? Fair enough - I’m looking att he history. But that same proud history tells us Rangers - even Rangers teams which diodn’t win the league for nine or ten years - NEVER lost at home to lower-league opposition.

Attitudes change. Instincts can evolve. Maybe I’ll become less harsh on our European losses and more cutting about routine domestic drawbacks one day. But for now, while some Bears have moved on from the CIS Cup exit earlier this month, see it as a diddy trophy anyway, I just cannot forget the night when Stevie Milne’s second goal actually chilled me to the very core of my 29+ years of watching live football.

As St Johnstone went 2-0 up I realised, with a bona fide fright, that the reason I, the eternal terracing worrier, had been so unperturbed by the Perth Sides’ opening goal was because I’d simply NEVER SEEN Rangers lose to lower-league opponents. I might like to THINK I cover all possibilities with my pre-match thoughts but some things you think about you just never have to actually feel. This was new, horrible emotional territory for a man too young to remember Berwick but old enough to know Hamilton were in the Premier League when I saw them in the Scottish Cup at Ibrox in 1986/87. Unless my folks decide tommorow that the last four decades have been as much as they need to take of each other, the sudden realisation that we were gonnae lose to a Scottish First Division team was as close as I’ll get to being that kid hearing his parents are getting divorced: Something solid and reliable I’d accepted as a birthright - without ever phrasing the thought in my mind - something I had just tacitly assumed, despite all my dedication to the value of doubt, was blown apart. I was literally shattered by that result. I was physically shaking as I met a few friends outside the back of the Govan after the final whistle.

Most of all, I remember the fear - the chilling moment when Rangers plummed a depth I had never even considered available to us.

I forgive. I virtually always forgive. But I very rarely forget. And PLG, whenever I praise him and his team, will always have that debt to pay-off. Europe after Xmas is proof he knows what he’s doing. My belief that he will bring us glories hasn’t changed - not a matter of principle, just an honest opinion - and my audible and written encouragement and support of both him and the Chairman will go on.

But that night PLG was on his own - as was Croesus Murray. The Chairman provided me with Nine-In-A-Row and the closest we’ve ever come to winning the European Cup, so he doesn’t owe me nowt. But PLG owes me a win as great as that defeat was humiliating. Either we beat Celtic by six or seven goals in one game or we lift a European trophy. Those, I’m afraid, are about the only imaginable achievements which’ll cancel out St Johnstone at Ibrox in the 2006/2007 CIS Cup.

(A SIX-game OF whitewash, to outdo our five-game derby feat of the sixties, would be good too. That would satisfy. As would reaching the Champions League final. Anyone else got any suggesstions on this theme? Answers on a postcard.)

So. Having said that. Having established there’s no-one getting all carried away with themselves here - no-one’s being as knee-jerk positive as the knee-jerk negative I hate so much - HAVEN’T THE LAST TWO WEEKS BEEN NICE??!! And, even though this run of three straight SPL wins and a major Euro result are only so good because much of what preceded them was so bad, we should enjoy the proxy pleasant little scenario our recent succeses have brought to us over the next few days:

Having worked ourselves into a worried frenzy for much of the first three months of this season, we can now just sit back and watch other clubs do our work for us. Doesn’t matter what happens in the next round of UEFA and SPL games - RANGERS WILL GAIN WITHOUT EVEN KICKING A BALL. In short, we can now all just CHILL OUT, troops.

We can spend Thursday [WRONG!!! - it’s Wednesday night ya fat git - see note at bottom of page, folks. Ed] and Saturday in particular knowing our patience as fans and our various levels of competence as a team have given us one of those “money-makes-money” scenarios. Only it’s more like Brucie’s “what do points make??”

They make small but pleasant PRIZES!!

It all goes tits up again, of course, if we canne beat Falkirk on Sunday - or Partizani Beograd (Eh??!! Come on!! How about THAT, eh? Pyoor Serbo-Croat patter by ra way!) next month - but for now it’s nice to know that Thursday’s round of UEFA cup fixtures could see us finishing top of the group without us even playing and that Saturday’s Celtic-Aberdeen game will DEFINITELY see us gain some SPL succour:

I’ll be honest - I cannae really be bothered trying to work out the exact scenario with the UEFA Cup Group. And I’m not 100% sure of my facts about qualification other than we HAVE ALREADY QUALIFIED for the knock-out stage. The main aim is now to finish top of the group, which we’ll defo do anyway if we beat Partizan Belgrade (that’s a translation into English for all youse that cannae speaka da lingo like moi). However, seeing as we’re playing the team which Partizan pumped oot the 1989/90 UEFA Cup the Sunday after the Serbians come tae Govan, it would be nice if top place was guaranteed BEFORE that wee encounter.

Here’s the first point on which I plead to be corrected - coz I really umnae sure: The First placed teams in the UEFA Cup Groups will meet the third-placed teams fae the UEFA Cup Groups. Zat right? And the UEFA Cup Group runners-up will meet the Champions League drop-outs. Yeah? Hardly seems fair if that’s true - if ye finish third ye could get drawn against an Auxerre but if ye finish second ye get rewarded with a tie v Barcelona/Werder Bremen/Man U/Benfica etc …??!! I suppose it’s good if ye want TV revenue and all that but if ye actually want tae progress through the knock-out rounds ye’d be better finishing third than second …

Anyway…

Maccabi Haifa are currently second, with 1 point less than us - evey one else in Group A has 1 point, TOTAL, each! Maccabi are playing their last game, at Livrono, this week. If they win it, we have to beat Partizani. If they draw we overtake them on account of having a better head-to-head. Same goes for Livorno and Auxerre - I THINK! Both could finish level on points but we beat one and scored two away goals in drawing with the other - that’s surely a better head-to-head. If Partizani win their last two games they’d finish level with us and, seeing as one of those games is against us, would go above us on the ole head-to-head rule. Divide by six and carry the 3 to the square root of the total value of all the angles where x meets y on the value of pie.

So, this week, we want Livorno to take something off Maccabi and we want Auxerre to take something off Partizani Beograd. That way, we’re top of the group without kicking a ball.

I reckon.

(AND I RECKON WRONG! - SEE THE ADDENDUM AT THE BOTTOM, TROOPS: No - not the “rohdedendrum up my bottom”!! …)

One thing’s for sure: If Aberdeen take owt off celtic at the potato bowl this weekend, we can gain on the leaders of the SPL for the second week on the trot (altho - to be honest - their draw at Hibs was more of a victory, methinks) and if Celtic beat Aberdeen, we have a chance to go points clear in second place - unfortunately this is still an improvement for us! But it’s a no-lose situation for the Teds of Beardom.

Oh - and another thing’s for certain - after all we’ve been through the last few months, all Bears and Bearettes deserve to just chill as they watch other teams do our work for us between now and 2pm Sunday.

Falkirk, we’ll worry about when we have to.

For now I’m growing my hair long, slipping off the clogs and toking up to some Dark Side Of The Moon …

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HOLD DAT RESULT: Wednesday Night Newsflash:

WE ARE TOP OF THE LEAGUE - SAY WE ARE TOP OF THE LEAGUE. Okay, we are top of “a” league - the league table of five teams which is UEFA Cup Group A. Well, it’s a sart! :-) The two games not featuring The Gers weren’t taking place on Thursday - but Wednesday. We got the results I prattled on about above - Maccabi drew in Livorno and Auxerre thrashed Partizani - but it turns out the head-to-head rule isn’t in force (See WeeAndy’s post on the thread below). So there’s still a chance, if we lose at home to Partizani - especially by a couple of goals - that we won’t finish top. So, sorry bout that - wrong on many, many fronts. But Rangers are still through - that’s the main thing … he says, trying to divert attention from his bloopers …

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Published:: 11.28.06 / 10pm

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Here’s a wee tribute to the Texan Scots and those of us who are proud to be Scottish in general:

Happy St Andrews day to y’all from the lone Star State:
——————————————————————

As presented by

Andrew Morrison, Lord Dunrossil

Honorary British Consul

It is my privilege as the Honorary British Consul to have been asked to remember the Alamo with you tonight, but first I want to go back to the early 14th century and remember the Bruce.

Hindsight has a way of making history look inevitable. It turned out this way and so it HAD to turn out this way. But back in the early 14th century, inevitability and historical necessity seemed to have sided with Edward Plantagenet, King of England. Scotland was an idea without logic, without meaning. It made no sense ethnically, linguistically, socially or culturally. Half the country was a mix of Gael, Norse and Pict and spoke Gaelic, the other half was what the Highlanders called �Sassenach,� Anglo-Saxon, and spoke a form of Northern English. Most of the barons in the south were Norman and spoke French. The very name �Scot� means �Irish� and Wallace, the name of the first hero of the independence movement, means �Welshman.�

The same argument, the same logic, used by Norman French barons in Scotland in absorbing and eradicating the Kingdom of the Isles was now being used by Norman French barons in England to unite the whole island under a single throne. The death of Margaret, the Maid of Norway, looked like the end of the Scottish idea. Scotland would go the way of formerly strong and independent kingdoms like Kent , Mercia and Northumbria and the Principality of Wales.

Then, 700 years ago this spring, one Norman baron, Robert de Brus, who refused to recognize the right of women to the throne, seized his chance by murdering a rival with a better claim, murdering him in a church, and had himself crowned king of a country which existed scarcely even in name let alone in reality, since it was occupied by Bruce�s feudal overlord, Edward.

14 years later, despite some notable victories, he was still excommunicated and desperate to neutralize the Pope�s opposition. This is the backdrop to the Declaration of Arbroath.

Bruce wanted the Pope to believe that he had no option but to fight on. He knew that in his case arguments about his personal merits or the rights of kings would carry no weight, since he�d broken his oath to Edward and murdered his rival to win the throne. He therefore argued (or had his barons appear to argue) that sovereignty rested with the people, a notion with some precedent in Celtic tradition but absolutely foreign to his own feudal Norman culture. It therefore followed that the people could and would replace him if he betrayed their aspirations towards Freedom and self-determination.

A few barons were then persuaded to sign the Declaration and give it the appearance of a spontaneous cry, an El Grito, ostensibly at least the first example of a declaration of popular sovereignty and of national independence in history.

Now, miraculously, the Declaration acquired a life of its own. A people were raised on it and bonded together by it and by this infectious and intoxicating notion of national self-determination, of governments serving at the pleasure of the people, a civil right that superseded all outside authority, temporal and religious.

This was the cultural background which opened the country to the peculiarly Scottish and peculiarly democratic idea of the Presbyterian Kirk and which inspired the Covenanters to resist crown and Parliament. (How ironic that it should all start with an appeal to the Pope!)

Many of these uncompromisingly independent Covenanters later moved to Ulster and then on to the American colonies. Once there they were to be further antagonized and politicized by the limited Catholic emancipation granted as a gesture to the newly conquered Province of Quebec and the rest of formerly French Canada, and they set about asserting their independence all over again.

One Scottish-born and educated lawyer, James Wilson (no relation to Sam Wilson, the original Uncle Sam), wrote the legal opinion that a Parliament in which they were not represented had no authority to legislate over them or to tax them. The roots of this argument can clearly be seen in the Declaration of Arbroath and its notions of popular sovereignty and self-determination. Wilson was not only a signer of the Declaration of Independence, itself inspired by Arbroath, but helped to give the movement its legal framework and justification, and his principle of Judicial Review led to the establishment of the Supreme Court.

Some of the intellectual underpinnings of the Revolution can be traced to the Scottish Enlightenment, which had a particular influence on the part Scottish, part Welsh Jefferson. This was the time, after all, when Edinburgh was known as the Athens of the North. That other famous Virginian, Pat rick Henry, famous for saying �Give me liberty or give me death,� was the son of an immigrant Scot, who taught him Latin and Greek and history and filled him with the passions and prejudices of his native land.

But one needs to look beyond the fine language spoken in the drawing rooms of Edinburgh and Monticello to see the dogged, cussed independent streak, which was Scotland �s great gift to the American character. Back in London the Revolutionary War was referred to as a �Scotch-Irish rebellion� and by King George himself as a �Presbyterian War.�

As the young country began to take shape, divisions and differences became apparent. At the first census in 1790 people of Scottish descent outnumbered those of English descent 2:1 in the southern states, which led inevitably to a different attitude to central or federal government from that which predominated in New England . They had not kicked out one central Anglo authority based in London just to replace it with another based in Washington DC . The War for States� Rights can be seen as yet another expression of Covenanter cussedness, only this time the best General of Scottish descent, Grant, was on the other side and his side prevailed.

A couple of generations after the Revolutionary War and a generation before the Civil War, a group of these typically feisty Scotch Irish found their way into Texas at the invitation of fellow Scot Stephen F. Austin. More than half of the land grants he made were to men of Scottish descent. Carl Peterson, born in Greenock and resident in Pennsylvania , has done some wonderful research on these people and the songs they brought with them, songs of Burns, Covenanter and Jacobite songs, which became the songs of Texas with a few words changed. I recommend to all of you his booklet, Now�s the Day and Now�s the Hour, and his CD, Scotland Remembers the Alamo .

Austin, Houston and Bowie were clearly of Scottish descent. Crockett probably. While Travis� family was from the north of England , it is clear that he drew his inspiration from the novels of Walter Scott, and he modeled his actions and his words on Edward Waverley and the noble but ultimately futile sacrifice of the Highland Scots at Culloden. Altogether it has been estimated that over 80% of those who died at the Alamo were of Scottish descent. The only man who refused to cross the line and chose life over death or glory was not one of them: he was one of the two Frenchmen.

These men were not perfect. Bowie could be a charming and charismatic leader, but he was also a crook, a money-launderer for pirates and a slave-trader. Travis was an inspiring speaker, a fearless leader, but he was also on the run from bankruptcy and a failed marriage. Houston was great tactician and a drunk. But the point is that, like Bruce before them, they have been redeemed and ennobled by an idea, by their willingness to give their lives for a principle, a principle which found its first expression in April 1320 at the Abbey of Arbroath:

�It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for Freedom � for that alone, which no honest man surrenders but with his own life.�

In the dictator Santa Anna and his troops they saw �proud Edward�s army� invading their land. You can almost hear them sing in the evenings before the fight, with the piper MacGregor and the fiddler Autry:

Scots wha hae wi� Wallace bled

Scots wham Bruce has aften led,

Welcome to your gory bed

Or to Victory!

Now�s the Day and now�s the Hour!

That hour had certainly come at Bannockburn . It came again right here at the Alamo some 500 years later, and it will come again and again. But as long as there are people around the world, ordinary imperfect people who were raised on the songs of Burns and the spirit of Arbroath, there will be people prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice, to do or die, in defense of Freedom, and Freedom will be in very good hands.

ruglen rebel 11.29.06 / 12am

good luck in your fight for second place or is it third, anyhow im starting to feel very old i remember the days when you were our rivals

Derek 11.29.06 / 9am

Eck, your permatations on the outcome of the group are correct. You are just setting out in more detail what I advised on the first post of your Auxerre match report. ;-)

lospalmas7 11.29.06 / 9am

belter from the ruglen rebel, absolute belter. Obviously a fair old age who has followed his team right through the “golden” O’Neil era!… airbrushing our 10 from 11 titles or was it 11 from 12 ? I can never remember. Not to worry, I know what you mean as even back then we werent your rivals, Dundee United Motherwell and Aberdeen were as I recall. Wee bit of class and diginity might help you fella, as these silly sausage ramblings have an awfy habit of coming back to bite you on the arse. (or scabby dirty arse in your case I’d imagine)
Anyway, Isnt it time to ask mammy to iron your fighting Irish T-shirt and Kappa bottoms?
n’at no

Fat Eck 11.29.06 / 1pm

RuglenReb - can I just ask, what exactly is it you’re rebelling from? Common sense perhaps? Us Bearsden Black & Tans are eager to know.

Derek - aye but you did it far too simply: Why use one sentence when you can use 387! :-) I mean, the last thing I’d want is to actually start making any sense :-)

LosPalmas - sooooooooooo-perb.

Lone Star Ranger 11.29.06 / 1pm

Re: El Bungler,

When did Rutherglen need rebels? Rebel against what? Are you really as stupid as your moniker suggests?

It’s unfortunate that inconsequential wee nyaffs like you get hold of a PC.

“They hate our British Crown, but they’ll take our half-crown”

Speaks volumes for you “rebels”

God Bless the Rangers and those who serve to defeat terrorism.

Wee Andy 11.29.06 / 1pm

Eck

Afraid (some of) your calculations are in vain as head-to-head results are irrelevant.

The final positions are based on goal difference, then goals scored, then goals scored away, then wins, then wins away and then finally the dreaded coeficient…

A Moses MacNeil Sandal 11.29.06 / 2pm

Have they actually ever been our rivals? With Queens Park, Clyde and Thistle all having been in existence for a good 10 to 15 years prior to the Tims even being thought about far less being bank rolled into the league by the richest organisation in the world, not to mention Clydesdale, Cowlairs and Third Lanark surely one if not all of them are are true rivals? Perhaps a Govan/Paisley rivalry with St. Mirren is more accurate they’ve been sparring with us since the 1870s as well. What is it they sing about knowing history? They’re no better than Clydebank, Livingston or Gretna - rich men’s playthings and not worthy of rivalry with a true ‘football’ club like ourselves!

Thistledhub 11.29.06 / 3pm

“Rival” a definition from Roget’s New Millennium� Thesaurus:

Definition: competitor
Synonyms: adversary, angries, antagonist, bad guy, bandit, buddy, challenger, competition, competitor, contender, contestant, emulator, entrant, equal, equivalent, fellow, match, meat, opponent, opposite number, peer

I agree with bad guy & bandit……

Derek 11.29.06 / 3pm

Wee Andy is correct. :-0

That’s a bugger.

Moses, some of them will argue that we have only won the league more than them because they were founded before us. :-)

Thistledhub 11.29.06 / 6pm

Just been chatting to a Preston fan, mainly about the stadium announcer, but he mentioned the Hearts fans in a pre-season friendly. Apparently Craig Gordon had been out for 3 weeks after one game, then back in, then injured for 3 again. They started singing “3 weeks out, 1 week in, Gordon is a tampon!”. Brilliant. Anyone have any other good chants / comments at football matches?

A Moses MacNeil Sandal 11.29.06 / 6pm

Derek they can argue that all they like but as the league in Scotland didn’t start until 1890, 2 years after Celtic bought their way into existence to become the richest club in the country it doesn’t really hold much water does it?

Fat Eck 11.29.06 / 10pm

The other thing is, those UEFA Cup games were TONIGHT. Now, we got the results we wanted when working under DEREK’s calculations … okay, right - they were MY calculations! - Maccabi drew in Livorno and Auxerre humped Partizani … but now I have to work out if that means we’re finishing top of the group under the correct rules, which Wee Andy kindly brought to our attention …

And I said this would be a “relaxing” few days for us !!

back in a mo …

OH Man! - see trying tae work this out AND watch “Lost” at the same time …

Anyway. S’far as I can make out, we’ll be top of the group as long as Partizani don’t beat us by any more than two goals - which would put our goal difference behind Maccabi’s. Seeing as the Serbs got gubbed 4-1 at home tonite that seems unlilkely but - well - need I say anymore than “St Johnstone”.

Basically , a draw and we’re top - coz Auxerre could also catch us, if we lose to partizani - if they beat Livorno by 3 or 4 in their last game.

Easy!

Derek 11.29.06 / 10pm

Moses, that was my point (although I gues it’s worth pointing out in lack and white for any lurkers who still didn’t get it).

Eck, I’m totally confused. I think I’ll wait for the definitive verdict on STV.

…or then again…

TIMAHOY 11.29.06 / 11pm

Eck my heart goes out to you for feeling the way you do about St Johnstone, cheer up though because you’ll win the UEFA cup, at least you’ll have a better chance of that than your other wish.

“Either we beat Celtic by six or seven goals in one game or we lift a European trophy. Those, I�m afraid, are about the only imaginable achievements which�ll cancel out St Johnstone at Ibrox in the 2006/2007 CIS Cup”

Fat Eck 11.29.06 / 11pm

Hey! Timahoy! Long time no smell!.

Nice to see ye around these parts again.

Now please fuck off.

Ya tit.

Lots of Love,

Alexander Rotundus

TIMAHOY 11.30.06 / 12am

A lesson to all, even when you agree with the bulbous one his upbringing (sic) comes out

A Moses MacNeil Sandal 11.30.06 / 8am

Sorry Derek the subtlety went right over my head. Will concentrate harder next time I promise, doh!

Lone Star Ranger 11.30.06 / 12pm

Ermmm…DhimmyBhoy,

Apart from the fact that you used “sic” incorrectly (it means “as spelt” before you go scrambling for the explanation at the back of your Twinkle annual…you should have used quotation marks to highlight your use of irony) Sorry, I had the benefit of a non-apartheid education system…

So if you went to a non-denominational school like Eck, then the irony is back on you, no? If you went to a RC school than I find it hard to accept that you can deride our education system with that run by the biggest peodophile cover-up conspiracists in history.

Watch you don’t break your parole this time 8-) Welcome back!

God Bless the Rangers

lospalmas7 11.30.06 / 12pm

Is it just me or is the irony of gargoyleahoy spouting about upbringing, a girder-like irony experience?
Silly billy

TIMAHOY 11.30.06 / 1pm

LSR, Ironic isn’t it, I never mentioned anything about schooling, nor did I mention denomination/non-denomination and yet you bring this down to your level, define irony and you’ll define yourself.

Derek 11.30.06 / 2pm

Timahoy, I think it was you who opened up the whole can of worms by mentioning upbringing.

Schooling (1950’s Alabama-style or otherwise) is all part of your upbringing.

That’s me spelling it out this time, Moses. :-)

Lone Star Ranger 11.30.06 / 3pm

Timahoy, or shall we shorten it to “Toy”?

Drag yourself up to our level…then of course, we’d all be “on the level”, ahem, as it were. ;-)

TIMAHOY 11.30.06 / 4pm

Let me see now one word “upbringing” = non-apartheid education system, non-denominational school, RC school, deride our education system, peodophile cover-up conspiracists in history.
And you have the audacity to infer that others are paranoid, away and give your head a shake, this site should be banned as it is an embarrassment to the education system in Scotland no matter what type of schooling one went to, it’s no wonder the English call us yokels.

Derek 11.30.06 / 5pm

Timahoy thinks that this site should be banned. Probably for having the audacity to question aparteid schooling.

Timahoy is Cardinal Keith O’Brien.

Lone Star Ranger 11.30.06 / 6pm

Sounds like he’s got his panties in a right fankle 8-)

Mick. 11.30.06 / 9pm

Funny how Scotland is the only country I’ve ever come across that has an issue with Catholic schools. Can’t for the life of me figure out why that is.

Fat Eck 11.30.06 / 10pm

Mick - you should get out of Scotland then. Just once. Or maybe read a book. Or, if you’re a traveler or an expat, you should know that any experience is only as useful as the intelligence exposed to that experience. In other words, if ye don’t really want to know about other countries because they might defeat yer silly arguments and self-serving bigotries, even visiting them wont make any difference: Send a potato around the world on a van it comes back a potato - not an expert on geography.

The problem Scottish people have with catholic schools is because of the sectarianism at the heart of Scottish society which people are always moaning about. I’m wondering if there’s a certain irony in that for you. There fucking should be.

What’s wrong with just having a school? Schools should be about education - not indoctrination. Or maybe you’d prefer to have others telling you what to think.

Take a wee read at Hume - as per Lone Star’s mention of the Enlightenment - and then you’d realise that, yeah, while thinking for yourself is often a terrible burden, it certainly beats taking it up the proverbial arse from people using ghosts and fairies in the sky as a basis for the subjugation of human life.

Proddy, Cafflik, Muslim, Jew - religion’s just pyoor smelly pooh. But people - people I like. And you can ALWAYS seperate people from their religion - whether they like it or not. The kind of perosn who uses their religion as an excuse for victimhood is just a certain type of person - know what I mean.

Anyway - that’s religion - a rite pile of pish we could debate all night. We’re getting away from the subject here. Hoh! Timahoy. I thought I told you to FUCK OFF!!

:-)

lospalmas7 12.01.06 / 12am

Is there nowhere on the net when these uber Tims dont stalk us humans with their Monty Python like shreiks of “bigot”, “who threw that?”.
I’m sick to the back teeth listening to all this shyte about Catholic schools this, and bigotry that. A shower of one trick drones, who frankly have long since lost the middle vote with their perpetual fcking gurning about bogey men bigots round every corner.
Simple solution. Dont come onto Rangers sites. Trust me, as much as you dont like it, I can assure you it pales compares to how much we dont want your puss filled gurning contamonating our airwaves.
What a shower of boring boring trumpets.
Oh, and Mick, majority of us couldnt give a fck about your stupid schools. If you want to split kids up at 5 and “educate” them using teachers in good grace,then you knock yourself out.No-one really gives a fuck except you shower.
Sheesh, cant you even talk about Hibs or something?

TIMAHOY 12.01.06 / 12am

LS7
This is a blog, not an official site of any kind, a blog exists when people debate, sometimes that debate is of like minded folks and sometimes the opposite which in my opinion gives that blog some credibilty, this blog however carries a familiar thread, disagree with the party line and you are an aparthied loving, paranoid, sectarian, bigoted arsehole.
Taking all that into account, other than the last adjective, which may or may not be a fitting description of yours truely, where does the following suggest any of the things I’ve been accused of (not to say I’m not, just not for these reasons)
“A lesson to all, even when you agree with the bulbous one his upbringing (sic) comes out”
Before anyone jumps back in with “aye but you mentioned his upbringing, remember Eck was reared by both denominations.

lospalmas7 12.01.06 / 1am

As a pair of sad arses who really shouldnt be up this late, I’ll make this my (thank fck he says) last one of today.
blogs are great and frankly I actually miss the humour of OF banter that only seems to have all but dissappeared in the last couple of years. My view? For what its worth, I believe that yer average tim(with some exceptions)is caught up in all this socio-identity thrust that seems to be in vogue. The defend and support everything from the Catalan cause, the recent “politicing” of the 1RA, Palestine, seperate school rights, Timmy Kings and Queens etc etc etc ad nauseum. There aint no humour in this attack culture. I’m sick to my fcking archie with it all. I’m certainly not a band marching maniac, far from it, but this perpetual (feels that way) attacking is actually boring lots of punters into reacting . I would much prefer close to the bone, OF humour, sometimes offensive but at least spontaneous and natural. I frankly dont wear this left wing Utopia versus the rest which seems to be creeping in to a lot of the Celtic minded. Gross generalisation but hopefully you get a wee bit of my drift.

Derek 12.01.06 / 9am

Timahoy, I don’t think you’re paranoid. :-)

BigRab 12.01.06 / 9am

Totally agree with your last comments Eck. TIMAHOY! How can Eck be sectarian? He has already said that he has no religious beliefs whatsoever. What he abhors is the excuses that most religions give their followers. There are so many people who purport to be Christian or who claim to be followers of a certain faith but who behave in quite disgusting ways. However, their behaviour is excused (supposedly) in the eyes of god. It appears at times that the more vile the behaviour here on planet zog the greater the forgiveness meted out by ‘whatever god’ they believe in. It must be very convenient to commit almost any crime you care to mention and then take a wander into a wee box and be forgiven by a fella in another wee box. I don’t know what the scenario is in other religions so I’ve used the catholic confessional simply as an example; before you accuse me of being sectarian! The fact is that rather than (any) god making man in his image, men make the god that they need in their image and that way all is forgiven because they were doing god’s will. Fuckin’ tripe of course but until ordinary people have the courage, and sense, to tell these self appointed communicators with the mythical being in the sky, to take their religions and insert them into their darkest and warmest, the misery will continue. So, get a life mate because after this one, it is finished. There is no second act, no second opportunity to fuck it all up, no coming back in another attempt to get it right, no heaven to go to where friends and family await us, no heaven’s gate or hell’s fires. Oblivion, pure and simple. We will live on, but only in the memory of those who loved us and knew us. End of story. C’mon the Gers!

OzzieBoyBlue 12.01.06 / 10am

If people want to believe, then let them believe.

I don’t. I agree with big Rab but is that to say that others, who may be less secure in their existance, do not NEED to believe that there is something exstetensial (sorry if I have misspelled) that they can cling on to. Especially in time of need.

As to the fact that Catholic Schools exist in Scotland, well it really shouldn’t matter to us who live by the old axiom ‘live and let live.’

Out here in Oz, unfortunately (only kidding guys) most of my friends are of the Celtic persuasion, although not all kafflick. Who gives a fluck.

It matters not a jot. What matters is that we need to feel the rivalry that exists between both sets of supporters. I cannot stand it when we get beaten (by anyone) especially by “them.” However, life goes on. I go to work on Monday like abear with a sore head and cannot even face talking to them. Is this down to Catholic Schools? NO. It is down to fact that they are Celtic Supporters and I fuckin’ hate them (BECAUSE they are Celtic supporters).

We need to move on. That is not to say we forget our (protestant) roots. However, just as some of us don’t like the segregation of schoolkids, some people don’t like the (apparent) bigotry of being a Rangers Supporting Protestant.

TIMAHOY 12.01.06 / 4pm

BigRab, please copy and paste as I’m doing to show your comments, where I say that Eck is sectarian.

Rab say’s…”Totally agree with your last comments Eck. TIMAHOY! How can Eck be sectarian?”

To make it easy for you here are the two posts which started the accusations..
TIMAHOY said #1…Eck my heart goes out to you for feeling the way you do about St Johnstone, cheer up though because you�ll win the UEFA cup, at least you�ll have a better chance of that than your other wish.

TIMAHOY said #2…A lesson to all, even when you agree with the bulbous one his upbringing (sic) comes out

BigRab 12.01.06 / 6pm

Timahoy. I meant that he wasn’t sectarian because he himself is not a member of any sect. According to Eck, he has no religious beliefs whatsoever. I think we would have to seek advice from a linguist with regard to what defines a sectarian person for an absolutely correct definition but I think that Eck is just a common ole garden religion hater. Quite understandable when you balance up the good acts that have been committed in the name of religion and the evil acts. Never mind, these things happen I guess.

TIMAHOY 12.01.06 / 10pm

BigRab, I have no axe to grind on what you or anyone else decides what is or is not sectarian, my point to you is that you asked, TIMAHOY! How can Eck be sectarian?� why did you ask me this?

BigRab 12.03.06 / 11am

For fun! :-)

Mick. 12.03.06 / 9pm

Alas Eck, I don’t expect you’ll see this as you have more pressing concerns presently, but you know nothing of what you speak.

Contrary to your assumptions, I have travelled extensively, and presently live in a society where Catholic schools are celebrated for their inclusive approach to education, applauded for their academic success rates, and not condemned as part of some “indoctrination” process.

I believe it was LSR who introduced schools into the debate so if you have a beef with opinions being expressed on the topic then perhaps you might be best served attmepting to moderate the discussion a wee bit earlier in the piece and not wait chasten those responding to his bigotry. Quite simple really.

For the record, LSR stated, somewhat out of nowhere: “Sorry, I had the benefit of a non-apartheid education system � So if you went to a non-denominational school like Eck, then the irony is back on you, no? If you went to a RC school than I find it hard to accept that you can deride our education system with that run by the biggest peodophile cover-up conspiracists in history.”

I merely responded that elsewhere, speaking from experience, attitudes like this one are very rare indeed. Eck, you are a champion at attempting to read between the lines, but appear to do so with one eye closed.

So, happy to return to the football …

Mick.

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