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1. Anonymous 07.17.07 / 2am

   On 8 July 2004 Rangers sold Mikel Arteta to Real Sociedad for a fee reported by El Mundo as £2.7m.

   On 5 January 2005, Newcastle United PLC announced to the Stock Market that they have bought Jean Alain Boumsong from Rangers for £8m.

   On 31 August 2005, Rangers finance director, David Jolliffe, wrote in the clubs annual accounts, “Gain on the disposal of player registrations was £8.4m… and principally relates to the transfers of Jean Alain Boumsong and Mikel Arteta.”

   They are saying where is the other £2.3m?
2. Derek 07.17.07 / 6am

   There is a difference between a “gain” and the amount received. If Arteta was in the books at £2.3m then they made a “gain” of £0.4m. Easy. Nothing to get excited about.
3. BlueNaboo 07.17.07 / 7am

   Surely just a case of Lord Stevens and The Polis being unable to get their heads around the fact we got £8m for Boumsong, given his performances in England….?!
4. Deecko 07.17.07 / 9am

   Anonymous, ya dick.

   The £8 million for Boumsong was all profit, no fee paid for the player. Now im no accountant but mearly by the miracle of simple common sense, when Arteta was sold for £2.7 million, and we are only claiming £400k of profit, does that no maybes mean we still had £2.3 million to pay Barcelona for the wee scrote.
5. The Truth 07.17.07 / 10am

   “gain on player disposal”

   NOT

   gain on player disposal minus player aquisition!

   are all huns this stupid?
6. BigRab 07.17.07 / 11am

   The Truth: you wouldn’t know it if it bit you on your festering arse ya tit!
7. AllyB 07.17.07 / 11am

   hello all,

   Surely now Sir Davids role in all this must be in question. He has been hands off for too long. At the very least this is a huge embarassment to rangers FC reputation…at worst…well who knows! Murray does not want to be at Ibrox, he does not want to invest, he is embarassing, and embarrassed by, the club. He should go…and I dont mean removed by force by the authorities. My own reckoning is that others have used the club for their own ends and an questionable “opportunity” was seized.

   Boumsong worth 8million…who believed it? That’s the truth ….and no conspiracy either!
8. Lone Star Ranger 07.17.07 / 12pm

   BR,

   These reptiles will believe what they want…regardless of the facts.

   I don’t condone “bungs” or any other form of gain by individuals during player transfers, but the harsh fact of life is that it happens so frequently now, it has become the norm.

   Here’s a spot of irony after Eck’s article…(tims can skip this part…since irony is not in your lexicon) if the deals HAD been done “on the square” then we wouldn’t have this problem ;-) …and as for the polis…there has been a witch hunt against freemasons for the past 15 years that I know of. Several bills have tried to be put into law to force policemen to declare if they are members of the craft. Civil liberties anyone?

   I see the malodourous pond scrapings are back on here gloating over what they see as justification for their hatred of all things Rangers…well if an employee of RFC is found guilty of wrong-doings, then I bet you he gets fired / fined etc. Would we continue to do business with that person? No, that would be morally wrong, would it not? Jim Torbett anyone?

   God Bless the Rangers
9. Lone Star Ranger 07.17.07 / 12pm

   …oh, and let’s not forget that Willie Mackay is a rabid tim…
10. The Truth 07.17.07 / 12pm

    God bless you indeed. You will need all the help you can get.

    Rangers A Club in Crisis
11. A Moses MacNeil Sandal 07.17.07 / 1pm

    As far as I know there have been no accusations made against Rangers by either the Stevens report or the police. So to place blame is premature, but it’s a lot of fun so here is my take.
    As Derek pointed out Rangers books balance (now that is irony) in this case as Boumsong was ‘bought’ and sold in the same financial year so no value was ever attributed to him on our books, unlike Arteta who joined in a different financial year and so had a value ‘on the books’.
    As it’s the City of London police that are involved (rather than Strathclyde or Northumberland) it must relate to a publicly listed company, all of which Portsmouth, Newcastle and Rangers are. However only Newcastle shares are available on the open market and only Newcastle are listed on the Stock Exchange. For City of London police to become involved someone must have made a complaint. In all likelihood the complaint would be against an individual rather than a business (a business complaint would usually see the case passed to the Met). I don’t believe their have been any dealings between Portsmouth and Rangers in recent years (?) but their have between Newcastle and Portsmouth and Newcastle and Rangers. Chances are the investigation is focused on an individual involved in transfers or share dealings between those clubs.
    That can’t be more than half a dozen or so people so someone else can have my deerstalker and pipe (more Masonic imagery for the conspiracy theorists to fret over!) and figure out who they are as I need to go back to work.
12. Derek 07.17.07 / 2pm

    AMMS, a certain agent’s name has been mentioned. Sounds like McLie.
13. barca72 07.17.07 / 2pm

    AMMS sounds about spot on to me. Don’t expect the journo’s to come up with anything like as good a theory as this though , just not anti Rangers enough, yes Mr Mclie is involved once again hopefully be the end of him as an agent. My only concern is our fabulous Mr Bain hes already had some rather strange goings on investigated himself, oh well hopefully see the back of him too.
14. barca72 07.17.07 / 2pm

    Just a thought did Vignal not come from Portsmouth?
15. Anonymous 07.17.07 / 3pm

    Deecko I’m no dick ya fanny, I was pointing out what the rags were saying, pure and simple, not my words but thiers
16. barca72 07.17.07 / 4pm

    Sorry he went to Portsmouth from us no fee
17. Tim Waits 07.17.07 / 4pm

    Too funny. I agree with those who say it sounds like a case of dodgy dealings by an agent who worked with all three clubs and, possibly, shareholder complaints about the Newcastle part of the transaction (hence the involvement of the City of London po-po). LSR might just have outdid himself with the “McKay is a rabid tim” thing, though. Let’s just think about that one for a minute - scummy agent conducts years’ worth of dodgy transactions with at least three separate clubs ostensibly to enrich himself but really just to screw over Rangers? And you call me paranoid?

    Who knows, in two weeks Murray, Bain and whoever opened the front door for the cops and lay face down with his hands over his head as they stormed past might be getting big shiny medals for their invaluable cooperation. That’ll be nice. But for now I want to know how Eck gets money for all those juicy holidays he’s always taking.
18. Lone Star Ranger 07.17.07 / 4pm

    Timmy Waster

    “just to screw over Rangers? And you call me paranoid?”

    Yes…the maggot was heard expressing that very desire just before the Boumsong deal to Newcastle was announced publicly. I actually remember hearing this at the time…he thought it would derail our season half way through, but the rest is history old chap. 8-)

    “Sometimes paranoia’s just having all the facts”
    William S. Burroughs

    ;-)
19. jb72 07.17.07 / 8pm

    faye went to newcastle from pompey signed by souness
    boumson song went from rangersto newcastle signed by souness

    now what 3 clubs are under investigation again?
20. pil,fhkurza\asxc 07.17.07 / 9pm

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22. gg 07.17.07 / 10pm

    there`s a few on here with brown scants and no wonder, the way ive read the reports in the rangers friendly media is that newcastle are the victims of any wrong doing. the celtic players got worse publicity and more newspaper inches for a night out at buffalo joes , the record even had the story on the back pages and by any stretch of the immagination its never a sports story its a criminal investigation , you can all blame wullie mcfly if you like but everyone knew at the time the deal for JAB had a real bad stink coming from it and if you never then you have no sense of smell
23. gg 07.17.07 / 10pm

    F-ECK, is ther any truth in the rumour that your changing the site name to rangers.openprison.co.uk
24. BigJoe 07.17.07 / 10pm

    Where has all the BungSong money gone???????
    joeTheNOTsoTHIN
25. U2 07.17.07 / 10pm

    Newcastle must be the worst run club in Britain. Millions pished down the swanny by a succession of crap managers, Keegan and Robson (initially) excluded.

    I love the Geordies but for the life of me I couldn’t work out why Graeme Souness was appointed manager. A real sense of concern at the time that they would give him cash and he would waste it. He did. £50million of it.

    It would not suprise me in the least if Souness is suspected of shady goings on in the same way it would not surprise me in the least if ‘Arry Rednapp was similarly suspected of involvement in shady goings on. No evidence or knowledge, no allegations, just simply saying I would show no surprise whatsoever (for Eck’s lawyers!).

    What have they in common that would make me unsurprised? They seem to buy and sell more frequently than your average manager and they tend to involve fairly hefty financial packages. Agents like that. They make money that way. Dare I say some may even encourage it, although I do not know what form that encouragement may take.

    I don’t think Rangers as a club have anything to fear but there may be one or two individuals resting uneasily in their beds this week. The sums of money involved in football are obscene. Money corrupts, history shows this. To suggest there’s no corruption in a game which churns obscene sums of money is to suggest we are living in a morally pure society.

    What’s that coming over the hill?
    Is it the fraud squad?
    Is it the fraud squad?
26. loaded 07.18.07 / 12am

    just think if it goes to court you can all sing ‘were of to fight the forces of the crown’ .
27. Thistledhub 07.18.07 / 9am

    That was funny Eck, a light hearted look at a situation we know nothing about, apart from the slant given by the media to a police investigation. When the dust finally settles and the individuals concerned are dealt with, then comments on the integrity of the club can be made. Until then, it is pure speculation. It is fun trying to suss out if Willie McKay or Graeme Souness is at fault, but whatever happened to innocent till proven guilty? - or is it the French Connection… Jean-Alain, Gregory or even PLG!!! Je ne ken pas.
28. barca72 07.18.07 / 10am

    To all you visiting Timmies “never let the truth get in the way of a good story” typical arseholes
29. Anonymous 07.18.07 / 10am

    I agree with waiting until the dust settles before formally commenting on something. I mean, there is a peice in the Sun today by Gerry Duffy which is actually incorrect as it tries to deny something which is actually public record. Bottom line, if any Rangers employee, and I mean any, is involved in anything, then they should be hounded out and feel the full force of the law. I cannot stand cover ups.
30. Fat Eck 07.18.07 / 11am

    Tim Waits - I’ve nothing to hide - my holidays are all legally financed . If I happened to do a bit of go-betweening for a certain Mr McCkay then that’s MY BUSINESS - okay??!! Nothing to do with anyone else … it was all purely voluntary … no money changed hands … just had him and a few clients round for tea and biscuits … the Conversational French Phrase book was purchased on Wullie’s expenses, yes, but I needed it so I could chat politely with his guests - ye cannae be rude - it was an invaluable aid and it’s hardly my fault WH Smith were selling them at £150k a pop. Now, where did I put that receipt…?

    Man - I think ye’ve nailed it TW - paranoia all round, and when will folk ever wake up to the fact the only ones truly at it are the tabloids - and not because they particularly love or hate either side of the OF or even any one football team, but because they just want to WIND FOLK UP AND KEEP THEM INTERESTED ENOUGH TO BUY MORE OF THEIR SHITE COPY!

    LOL! I always find it funny how some folk just go ahead and fall into line with what I’ve predicted they’ll do, in the very rant on which they’re commenting: Like ThistleDhub says, this whole story, so far, is just funny and interesting but, sure enough, ye have the “Rangers in crisis” mob - coming from both sides of the divide actually but I think we’ve only got Ally B doing the “Murray is the font of all evil” line on this thread: mostly it’s a few hooped hystericals STILL wanting “revenge” for the Daily Retard’s picture of a broken Celtic crest all those years ago.

    “it’s a Pro-Celtic media” ,”it’s a Pro-Rangers media”. Does this polarity of opinion not tell us that the tabloids, especially, are just out to get BOTH clubs??!! mmmm?

    how long before that penny drops?!

    I mean GG’s point about the Record chasing teh Celtic players on their night out is absolutely SPOT-ON. It was an absolute fucking disgrace what went on that Xmas. Much as I cannae stand celtci, they’re still just a bunch of guys trying to huv a bevvy together and some scumbag slezo comes along trying to wind them up for a story - I’m sure most of us woudl have been hard pushed not to stick one on the bastard. And - bingo! - that’s the Record got their “story”. That incident actually ANGERED me.

    Yet, as GG then sadly proves by going on to indulge in the “media bias” fantasy, it DEPRESSES me that so many Old Firm fans decide to see this as evidence of a paticular love/hate of one club. When you start thinking like that The Daily Ranger/Daily Rebel has got ye by the balls. Their dining out on the fact most football fans CRAVE the right to be indignant.

    What has really happened at Ibrox which let the police issue us with a warrant? I’ll leave that to Derek and Moses Mac to decide - they know what they’re talking about on the business side of things - but, as I tried to explain by the tone and angle of my rant, for me the real story is how the media sell us the story and how so many of the fans on both sides of the OF divide (Again, why are there no Aberedeen, Killie, Dunfermline fans on here haviong a dig?) are willing it to be some sort of portentous judgement day of biblical proportions.

    The facts, as they say, are the least important part of the story.
31. sir 07.18.07 / 9pm

    While City of London Police officers sifted through the evidence that they had gathered, the chairman of a Football League club contacted by The Times suggested yesterday that the police investigation centred on allegations of VAT fraud and money-laundering. “I don’t think this is just about bungs,” he said.

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